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(@sidewise)
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Since replacing the rear tire after a flat I decided to address this. I've always had (to me) excessive rear brake pedal travel and less effective rear and sidecar brake action on my '94 Honda ST1100 with EZS RX5 Sidecar. The sidecar shares the rear master cylinder with the bike via a banjo bolt. There is new brake pads installed on rear brakes and sidecar brakes. When last bleed there was no air in the system just excessive travel at pedal. Brake lines have not been opened since. Will slightly over filling the rear master cylinder be beneficial in this case to make up for the added sidecar brake cylinder and additional five feet of brake line? This is important to me now as ageing (77yo) has decreased the mobility of my right ankle and foot.

 
Posted : October 4, 2024 8:48 am
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@sidewise, to answer your specific question, when I do the refilling of any master cylinder with brake fluid, I fill it all the way up, as full as possible, without causing a spillage. Put the reservoir in place, reinstall the screws, and wipe away any brake fluid that is around the edge or rim of the reservoir.Β  So to answer your question, just FILL IT UP.

Regarding the excessive travel of the rear brake pedal....Man, I hear ya.

It is a battle to get 100% of the air out of the system, when having added a sidecar brake to the equation, and feel that you have a really good rear brake pedal. Luckily for us, those front brakes on your ST-1100 are the monster brakes that all motorcycles should have, and they are unaffected by the sidecar brake lines, except being a Linked Braking System.

Try, and try again, to vacuum of push any air out of the sidecar brake fitting, and if you are as satisfied as can be, then just have to live with hitting your rear brake pedal once, to SET it, then a second time to engage the brakes fully.

That is where I have settled....pump my rear brake pedal once to set it, then hit it a second time to really engage the rear brake and sidecar brakes.

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Posted : October 4, 2024 10:09 am
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I found a small adjustment can be made to the pedal height by lengthening the rod going to rear master cylinder.
It's a start and I don't have to buy anything but sure is PITA to get too.

 
Posted : October 4, 2024 11:56 am
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Posted by: @sidewise

I found a small adjustment can be made to the pedal height by lengthening the rod going to rear master cylinder.
It's a start and I don't have to buy anything but sure is PITA to get too.

It should have been obvious as I did a similar adjustment on my V-Star 1100 Classic a few years ago but I didn't think of it as everything is hidden under plastic and aluminum on ST1100. After making the adjustment to the brake pedal, all seems much improved. I think I'll leave it here for now as riding season is soon drawing to a close in the NE USA. Maybe I'll give it another tweak for the spring.

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Posted : October 5, 2024 11:53 am
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Steve Ives
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Miles

Same problem here, too much brake travel. I have tried the work round of putting pressure on the brake pedal overnight and that has made a difference, i will repeat the process after a few days to see if there is any further improvement. No sign of fluid leaks on the floor afterwards,fluid level good. The next step will be to see if i can adjust the pedal itself, with limited ankle movement i definitely agree with Sidewise statement. Seems to be a common issue.

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Posted : October 9, 2024 7:37 pm
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Both of youΒ  shouldΒ  alsoΒ  check theΒ  thickness of theΒ  brakeΒ  pads in the sidecarΒ  brakeΒ  caliper,Β  and....the bike rear brakeΒ  caliper.Β  I likeΒ  starting withΒ  brand newΒ  thick brakeΒ  pads, wheneverΒ  possible,Β  and beforeΒ  installing the newΒ  brakeΒ  pads in eitherΒ  caliper,Β  IΒ  exercise theΒ  caliperΒ  piston (s) in and out, lubing theΒ  seals on thoseΒ  pistons, lubingΒ  up all contact points on theΒ  calipers,Β  and the contact points on theΒ  new brake pads, so thatΒ  everythingΒ  proves to me thatΒ  it all functions smoothly andΒ  correctly.Β  In doingΒ  all this,Β  part of workingΒ  the caliperΒ  pistonsΒ  in and outΒ  forces the brake fluid forward andΒ  backwardsΒ  through theΒ  hose andΒ  rear master cylinder.Β  When all is done, all back together,Β  new pads in place....IΒ  generallyΒ  end up withΒ  as goodΒ  of brakeΒ  pedalΒ  as I am going to get.Β 

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Posted : October 9, 2024 10:17 pm
Steve Ives
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Brakes/clutch flushed at 133962 replaced with Dot4 now at 139000plus. My thoughts have been drifting towards the sidecar wheel so i will start with that because it is easier for me to deal with. Not sure of my ability to examine the rear wheel just yet. I know its an assumption but the condition of the sidecar brakes should give me a decent guesstimate of the rear wheel as the previous owner also replaced the rear tire @ 134976 so the brake pads were likely checked then. I have not really used the rear brake so far so everything 'should be' in good condition but maybe a bit stiff from lack of use. As you commented when i was buying the wing it does look like everything has been done. =) i can always ask the last owner.

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Posted : October 9, 2024 11:06 pm
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Brakes/clutch flushed at 133962 replaced with Dot4 now at 139000plus. My thoughts have been drifting towards the sidecar wheel so i will start with that because it is easier for me to deal with. Not sure of my ability to examine the rear wheel just yet. I know its an assumption but the condition of the sidecar brakes should give me a decent guesstimate of the rear wheel as the previous owner also replaced the rear tire @ 134976 so the brake pads were likely checked then. I have not really used the rear brake so far so everything 'should be' in good condition but maybe a bit stiff from lack of use. As you commented when i was buying the wing it does look like everything has been done. =) i can always ask the last owner.

Steve, wasn't the previous owner...previous to the one you bought from, wasn't that Varn Cummings ? If so, then yes most everything was done, and done correctly. But if in doubt, I can call Varn Cummings, as I have him on speed dial.

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Posted : October 10, 2024 8:34 am
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Yes it was Varn and i can confirm with him if i need to. Previous owner i bought from was Jeff Kramer and he commented that he had done everything =) if i remember correctly you have pictures from my emails with him including his notebook

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Posted : October 10, 2024 8:53 am
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sorry, ive been locked out of the forum for a while. typical.

have you considered a master cylinder with a larger diameter bore? that would move the same amount of brake fluid with less pedal travel?

lots and lots of cylinders are available from china, cheap enough that you can experiment. i mounted a british girling front brake caliper onto a suzuki disc set up using a 14mm chinese master cylinder/hand lever. works fine for a lightweight british 650 (280 pounds) race bike.

im sure something is available in a similar fashion for a rear cylinder that could be adapted

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Posted : October 13, 2024 2:29 pm
Steve Ives
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@kevin I have actually been thinking of something as simple as a small block screwed onto the brake pedal itself. I have yet to investigate the possibility of changing the angle of the pedal, assuming it is on a spline. having a sidecar in the way does not help=) Push comes to shove i could always unbolt the sidecar and lift it off the chassis, chuckle!

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Steve Ives

 
Posted : October 13, 2024 2:37 pm
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or exchange the whole thing for a watsonian with a built-in brake pedal!

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this really is only an option for a right-shift bike.Β  i wouldnt be coordinated enough to handle two brake pedals on the same side.

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im still building the tug, to tell the truth, so i dont know how well this thing actually works.

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Posted : October 14, 2024 4:53 pm
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