tough steering

Quote from Thane Lewis on August 30, 2022, 4:56 pm

Another person can be on the bike, but without a fair bit of ballast, even a Hannigan Astro isn’t heavy enough on its own to be as stable as I would like.  

 I am home now. The tree is installed an well tested. On my 2017 I had 6 degree rake.

IMO the 4.5 is better. it is fine two up. My sidecar is a twin classic and wife riding on the bike with me works great.

What I really like about the Hannigan tree is they CNC machine it in house. Build like a tank.

Riding two up was my question.  Got my answer.

Thanks, everyone.  This was an informative discussion.

labill

Quote from smitty901 on August 31, 2022, 12:01 pm

Quote from Thane Lewis on August 30, 2022, 4:56 pm

Another person can be on the bike, but without a fair bit of ballast, even a Hannigan Astro isn’t heavy enough on its own to be as stable as I would like.  

 I am home now. The tree is installed an well tested. On my 2017 I had 6 degree rake.

IMO the 4.5 is better. it is fine two up. My sidecar is a twin classic and wife riding on the bike with me works great.

What I really like about the Hannigan tree is they CNC machine it in house. Build like a tank.

 

Hi Bob

quick question, in your opinion why do you like the 4 1/2 better.

Quote from smitty901 on August 31, 2022, 12:01 pm

Quote from Thane Lewis on August 30, 2022, 4:56 pm

Another person can be on the bike, but without a fair bit of ballast, even a Hannigan Astro isn’t heavy enough on its own to be as stable as I would like.  

 I am home now. The tree is installed an well tested. On my 2017 I had 6 degree rake.

IMO the 4.5 is better. it is fine two up. My sidecar is a twin classic and wife riding on the bike with me works great.

What I really like about the Hannigan tree is they CNC machine it in house. Build like a tank.

 

That triple clamp oic looks a lot like what I can see without removing bits.  It works wonders for the handling of the rig.

Quote from AceinSav on August 31, 2022, 2:09 pm

Quote from smitty901 on August 31, 2022, 12:01 pm

Quote from Thane Lewis on August 30, 2022, 4:56 pm

Another person can be on the bike, but without a fair bit of ballast, even a Hannigan Astro isn’t heavy enough on its own to be as stable as I would like.  

 I am home now. The tree is installed an well tested. On my 2017 I had 6 degree rake.

IMO the 4.5 is better. it is fine two up. My sidecar is a twin classic and wife riding on the bike with me works great.

What I really like about the Hannigan tree is they CNC machine it in house. Build like a tank.

 

Hi Bob

quick question, in your opinion why do you like the 4 1/2 better.

   The 6 degree required more unnecessary work. Parts of the dash needed to be trimmed away. Adding more cost. It did not offer any advantage.

I took the new tree out to today and road hard. passed ll my test.

I have a TSC Ranger mounted on a '79XLS. With the stock rake and trail I found it to be somewhere between marginally rideable and terrifying. 6 1/4 deg. triple clamps from Custom Triple Trees made all the difference. It's in the shop now to readjust the leade on the hack, which I think will further improve the handling. The new trees are definitely worth what they cost.

Quote from James Neufeld on March 16, 2023, 10:22 am

... The new trees are definitely worth what they cost.

We have reached the same conclusion ... twice now.

I am new to the forum but I must respond to difficult to dangerous steering without changing the rake and trail in the triple tree.  My wife and I showed up at Roger Spaulding Sidecar Co. in Lubbock, Texas with two back packs of clothes and a half full bucket of  adventure. We filled that bucket driving  from Texas to the Dakotas, down the Columbia River to Astoria, Wa. and back home to Northern Ca. ; about 3000mi without power steering. Very soon after adding rake/trail, I discovered reverse gear.  Sidecaring without a forum has been an up hill learning curve. The 3000mi has rolled over to 30,000 mi in ten years. In all the time and miles we have never seen or heard of another SECO side car. I believe we are the last ,#588, but not the first. Where are the others?? I would love to hear from other SECO owners, hear their stories and share ideas. I know that you are out there; why are you hiding? Share the goodness.  Thank you for this forum.

 Welcome. there use to be a lot more sidecars . That drops more and more. Often they sit abandoned . Someone tries to do custom work to them they end up scraped. Keep looking you may find others.

As for the Different options for front end work. Done right it helps. Some rigs can get away with out the front end work. But even those benefit once it is done.

My 2020 RGL was ok with out the rake. But with shoulder surgery I did not want to chance it. Did 4 1/2 degree rake with a CNC tree and never looked back.

Enjoy the ride.