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Posted by: @bannerguy

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Any idea why the Burgman has traded hands so many times?  What would you think is a fair price for that rig?

Yes, that is the  same 2015 Burgman 650 w/Hannigan  Classic  sidecar rig.  The current  owner  lives in that area, and simply  posts it on all the  Craigslist  locations in  that area, to get more exposure. 

As for  price....what  does his current  ads have it listed at, and....how old are the  ads ?????

As for  why it has changed  hands a total of 4 times since being  made into a  sidecar rig,  here are the  facts:

I built this  rig for my  wife to use. She liked it....I  liked it more....solidly assembled,  drives very well,  can easily  hit 100 mph even  with  sidecar  attached.

I bought the  2015 Burgman 650 locally  from a  nice older guy, dying from  cancer, and the bike had 4,000 miles on it then.

The bike is a dark silver matte paint, looks great. I also  installed a  black Pelican  case on the  rear rack area, to serve as a rear trunk.

Bike is flawless mechanically.  Has Car Tire on the  rear wheel. 

Then.....wife and I went crazy one day, and decided to  sell ALL of our  motorcycles and  sidecar rigs.

Jan Daub, the President  of our United  Sidecar Association,  decided he  wanted this  Burgman sidecar rig,  soley  for the  Hannigan  Classic  sidecar,  to replace  Hannigan  double-wide Classic  that is  attached to  his  2018 Goldwing,  as he wanted the narrower  Classic.  After buying it,  and receiving it,  he changed his  mind,  and sold it to  one of our guys in Illinois.....a guy that  originally  wanted it before  I  sold it to  Jan Daub.

The guy in Illinois  had it a few months,  then decided  he wanted a larger  sidecar rig,  so he sold it to the  current  owner in Nor California. 

When it was in my hands,  and Jan Daub's hands, it was basically  flawless  mechanically.  I cannot  speak to  its  current  condition,  because I  haven't  seen it  recently. 

When it was here,  the ONE thing that I  felt  could have been  changed  on it to make it  absolutely  perfect,  was to replace the  triple trees  to reduce the  trail, and make it  super easy to  steer. Everyone  else  thought it  didn't  need  this, as it handles so easily.  I have  a tendency to make  things  perfect for my  wife, when  it comes to the  motorcycles I build  for  her.

Mike, contact the  seller  at cruzerdog@mac.com

The ad on our forums  here, has the last price....back then....at $ 9,500.

Likely that OBRO is current state and likely to be accepted, especially since you would be making a cross country trip.

@thane-lewis Thane - are you referring to the change in exhaust systems on the 2013?

As tempting as it is to consider a rig formerly owned by Miles, I think I'm leaning away from the Burgman at this point. I got a quote of $1,200 to have it shipped from CA to Borneo (aka Baltimore) - not sure I wanna ride cross-country on a 650 Burgman...

I loved the Burgman scooter I had previously, but it was a bit limiting in it's range - i.e. best for around town.  One of the Wing rigs would give me the opportunity to use the rig on longer distances if I so choose...

So, just my thinking at the current time.  The next challenge is to convince the wife (who doesn't ride anymore) that we need another bike.

Thanks for all your help thus far - as questions arise (either on the rigs we've discussed or others) I will seek guidance from the elders here (said with all due respect to your experience and expertise).

Mike

Posted by: @bannerguy

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As tempting as it is to consider a rig formerly owned by Miles, I think I'm leaning away from the Burgman at this point. I got a quote of $1,200 to have it shipped from CA to Borneo (aka Baltimore) - not sure I wanna ride cross-country on a 650 Burgman...

I loved the Burgman scooter I had previously, but it was a bit limiting in it's range - i.e. best for around town.  One of the Wing rigs would give me the opportunity to use the rig on longer distances if I so choose...

So, just my thinking at the current time.  The next challenge is to convince the wife (who doesn't ride anymore) that we need another bike.

Thanks for all your help thus far - as questions arise (either on the rigs we've discussed or others) I will seek guidance from the elders here (said with all due respect to your experience and expertise).

Mike

One of the significant selling points of a comfy long distance rig is that Fiona can knit while riding.  She will often knit in the car as well so this helps us keep motorcycling together given the physical limitations that we have together.

That was a better price than expected for shipping the Burgman to Borneo (aka Baltimore). 👍  But yes, touring with a Goldwing/Hannigan setup is hard to beat for sure! 😎 

The 2003 with the Bandito sidecar was sold.  The current discussions are with the 2013 F6B mentioned above and a 2002 Wing.  Thoughts?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/451346150783310/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A7df68455-752a-4f65-a04d-eef982b2565e

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1662520250915051/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks

For what it's worth, I am at slightly over $16,000 in my talks with the 2013 F6B.  Haven't started talking price with the 2002 owner as I'm still trying to get more info from him.

Appreciate any thoughts from the elders...

Mike

If price isn't a big concern, I would suggest moving toward the 13 F6B.  Miles will likely come along in a bit to correct my partially correct information but...

The 02 wing rig would be a better choice if it were 06 or later due to ...upgrades that I can't recall at present. And for the $6k upcharge, the F6 is a major refinement of an already great bike in the 06 and beyond Wings.

Still considering the 2013 F6B, but the lack of reverse has me concerned.  The space I have to "park" the rig requires a bit of parallel parking of sorts which would require getting off the bike and pushing it each time I needed to park it.  

I came across another listing that I'm curious about and wonder what the masters of this forum think of this listing... https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2010821182703325/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A980d9e5c-45bf-4877-ae92-3ef2417a62ca

I'm trying to find out exactly how wide this rig would be, because that's another limitation I've got for storing the monster.

Any thoughts (well, almost any) appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike, a few things. Personally I would not be too concerned about the lack of Reverse on the F6B, as it is easy to dog-walk the entire rig backwards from the seat of the motorcycle, if you feet can tippy toe on the ground. The Reverse is a nice feature, but 93.14159% of us with Reverse use it only 31.4159 % of the time, because it is just as easy to dog-walk the rig backwards, or get off and push it backwards.

The 2006 Goldwing w/Hannigan sidecar that you linked to in your post above, it is "okay", and the price is almost right on the nose. It's not a rig I would buy simply because...it is Black, with a Black sidecar, and that coloring is harder to keep clean compared to the Platinum or Titanium, or Grey that I am known to own. Secondly, that '06 rig has been "pimped" out. That bugs me, as I would have to remove 31.4159 pounds of crap, chrome, junk from the bike and sidecar, just so that it didn't dangle in the wind, shine chrome in my face as I am driving the bike, display all the political and religious thoughts of the entire world, etc.

That bike having Navigation is just barely "okay", because Mother Honda did not want her children to be operating certain functions of the Navigation whilst riding, so...you have to come to a STOP, put the bike in Neutral, and then operate the other functions of the Navigation system. The result was that 73.14159% of Goldwing owners that had bikes with the Navigation system on it, would also add a Garmin Zumo GPS, that could be operated at any speed, whilst in motion.

I could tell you the other 3,141 things that bother me about that '06 Wing w/Hannigan rig, but....that is for you to decide. There is NOTHING wrong with the 2006 Wing, or the Hannigan sidecar. And with less than 25k miles on the bike, that is less than 1 month of riding, yet it is 18 years old.

IMPORTANT:  For you Mike, you have the added concern of parking WIDTH, and "IF" that Hannigan sidecar is truly as wide as the ad says, which states it is a double seat, intended for two skinny people, a dog and a child, etc, then it is wider than my Hannigan GTL sidecar, so I believe the entire rig...bike and sidecar, is going to be more than 84" overall width, and yoiu parking limitation is 84".

Bottom line, if it is close enough for you to go LOOK at it, take the time to look, and learn.

EDIT: I am going to add....after carefully reviewing the pictures of that 2006 Wing rig you have a link to, I am of the strong opinion that the front end of the bike has NOT been altered, has not had the "trail reduced", which you will find WILL be a problem in the shirt run, and will cost you an added $ 1,500 to $ 1,750.00 for the trailer reducing triple trees, new seals, new bearings, and installation.

Thanks so much for the comments Miles.  Your concerns about the color and added chrome, etc on the '06 are a concern of mine as well.  The guy listing the '06 tells me the front end has been modified, but perhaps not...  I appreciate being able to discuss these different options on this forum.  Thanks so much!

Mike, if the guy selling the '06 Wing rig tells you the front end HAS indeed been modified, I would ask him to explain, and see what kind of modification it has. I can easily measure the front end of one of my Goldwing sidecar rigs, and Thane @thane-lewis can also measure his '06 Wing sidecar rig, which is one that "I" personally installed the trail reducing triple trees on that bike, and you can use our measurements to compare to the '06 Wing that is listed in your post, to see if it does indeed have the modified front end. It's an easy measurement to take, and then always have that as reference.

Still talking to the guy selling the 2016 F6B, but here's where my head is today...

I live in Baltimore, Maryland - we do not have a garage.  I have a shed in the backyard, off the alley that I use to store my 2 wheel motorcycle (currently a '23 Goldwing).  I have a parking pad that sits in front of the shed to store a sidecar rig.  As much as I would like to have both, a 2-wheel bike and a sidecar rig, I am wondering if it is practical given my storage issue.  The sidecar rig would need to be parked in front of the shed that currently stores the Goldwing, so each and every time I would ride the 2-wheeler, I would have to move the sidecar rig, get the bike out of the shed and then move the sidecar rig back to the parking pad to ride the 2-wheeler.  I'm thinking this work would mean I don't ride the 2-wheeler much...  So, I'm thinking of taking Miles up on his earlier suggestion and contacting Hannigan to talk to them about a Gen 3 Dream Sidecar for my '23 Wing.  This would still need to be parked on the parking pad (which is 7' wide), but also makes riding it easier...  If I go this route, I will build a roof and have some type of canvas sides for the carport in the winter.

Again, I appreciate all the thoughts on this thread - hopefully, I am not wearing out my welcome by using you all to think this through.

Mike

Mike, you are not  wearing  out your  welcome  by asking  these questions.  They are pertinent  questions,  and us answering  them is what  makes  this community. 

If you do go with Hannigan  building  you  a Gen 3 Dream Sidecar,  which is  what I  have,  talk to me  extensively  beforehand,  as I  know  the inside info/secrets about prepping the bike wiring  in advance,  where to get Plug 'n Play wiring  harnesses,  how to route wires from under the  seat area up to the handlebars area, without  dismantling  half the bike...the pros and cons of  certain  accessories  from  Hannigan,  etc.

Is your  '23 Wing a DCT or a  manual  trans ?

Goldwing,  or Goldwing  Tour ?