Originally written by Bob Madigan on 6/13/2007 12:05 PM
This is big news. I only heard that in 1980 or so when the HD company. started using Keihin.
You're out of date, too. Harley-Davidson no longer uses that carburetor on any of its models. As ot 2006/2007 all models of Harley-Davidson have Delphi Electronic Fuel Injection. Delphi is made in America, as far as I know. It's a divisoin of GM.
Nothing like a liittle thread theft and some bike bashing to start the day out right.
Where are the moderators?
i was goung to drop out of this thread because of the turn it has taken. had to notice though that all these anti-harley proponents ride everything but a GENUINE HARLEY DAVIDSON. must be jealousy. as long as Harley puts it's stamp on it- it's AMERICAN. unlike the japanese,chinese,european, etc. they're all just slaves on the corporate plantation anyway.i just recently bought a japanese motorcycle but i'm not trying to convince anyone with any sense that it's an AMERICAN bike. they need to drop the next bomb on marysville ohio. maybe that will get their attention.
BTW- this will be my last post on this thread and the "dog lovers" thread.
have fun.
gnm109 wrote:
>>The width of the sidecar from the rear bracket on the side of the frame to the inside of the wheel is listed as 53.3 inches.<<
When you have time would you measure from the center of the sidecar wheel to the center of the bike rear wheel?
Just curious.
Originally written by claude #3563 on 6/13/2007 4:00 PM
gnm109 wrote:
>>The width of the sidecar from the rear bracket on the side of the frame to the inside of the wheel is listed as 53.3 inches.<<When you have time would you measure from the center of the sidecar wheel to the center of the bike rear wheel?
Just curious.
The Harley-Davbison website shows this information for wheel track width: the "WIDTH FROM BRACKET TO SIDECAR WHEEL 53.3 in."
I measured per your request and got the same dimension from middle of rear wheel to middle of sidecar wheel so I'm not clear on their terminology as to what they mean by "rear bracket". I didn't measure last time, I just used their information. So, the answer to your question is 53.3 inches.
No charge for this information. LOL
Originally written by gnm109 on 6/13/2007 7:13 PM
Originally written by claude #3563 on 6/13/2007 4:00 PM
gnm109 wrote:
>>The width of the sidecar from the rear bracket on the side of the frame to the inside of the wheel is listed as 53.3 inches.<<When you have time would you measure from the center of the sidecar wheel to the center of the bike rear wheel?
Just curious.The Harley-Davbison website shows this information for wheel track width: the "WIDTH FROM BRACKET TO SIDECAR WHEEL 53.3 in."
I measured per your request and got the same dimension from middle of rear wheel to middle of sidecar wheel so I'm not clear on their terminology as to what they mean by "rear bracket". I didn't measure last time, I just used their information. So, the answer to your question is 53.3 inches.
No charge for this information. LOL
Thanks for the free info 🙂
I typically shoot for a bare minimum of 48" when installing a sidecar but prefer a wider stance. I am sorta stuck on 52" for some reason. Wide makes for a much more stable rig of course. Some rigs are actually 60" and even above.
A longer distance to the wheel makes for a longer "moment arm". This in turn will move when hitting a bump and it will disturb the vertical position of the bike much less then if the width were narrower. It's part of the suspension if you look at it in that manner.
I also prefer a wide stance. It makes for a calm er ride.
What SC wheel lead is Harley using now? I assume they increased it as the vintage rigs did have a reputation for nosedives. Going on second hand info as I haven't driven one myself. The ones I have seen were pretty rigs....
What SC wheel lead is Harley using now? I assume they increased it as the vintage rigs did have a reputation for nosedives. Going on second hand info as I haven't driven one myself. The ones I have seen were pretty rigs....
If by "lead" you mean the relationship of the rear wheel to the sidecar wheel, the HD TLE sidecar is probably the farthest back you can get, e.g., very little lead. Here's a typical picture of one (not mine) where you can see that the wheel has very little lead over the rear wheel of the bike.
With the sidecar mounted and some weight on the frame, these rigs are definitely "heavy metal" and it would take quite an effort to do a nose dive on one. They are really quite stable.
Thanks. I really should try one out someday.
Does the nose dip in lefts? It looks like the front of the sidecar is quite high, perhaps to compensate?
I can well believe the rigs are stable, between the weight , the width and HDs almost legendary low center of gravity.
From what I have heard passengers say, it seems you either love or you hate the sidecar body's sprung suspension. Some folks say it makes them motion sick, I have heard others assert it is the most comfortable ride you can find.
Variety and choices are a good thing, 'specially for a gear head 😉
Claude,
Some where I have a drawing from H-D giving all the measurements for all three views, headon or front view- side view- and overhead view. I do not remember what site they came from but I know I printed the page from my computer. I will look for it and send you a copy. Fair warning, I am not the fastest when it comes to finding lost items, but I will look and it will show up. I really enjoy the threads on this site.
mrmustash aka Paul
Vernon,
My FLHR Factory rig had a sidecar wheel lead of 8".
I have a Harley spec sheet but it's over 500KB and won't upload here.
Email me at:nwsidecar@aol.com and I'll send it to you.
I was planning on leaving for Hayden Lake today but the Escrow Co. on the Seattle side has decided to close the sale on our Marysville shop this Saturday, so that's out. I've been looking forward to making the Rally all winter too.
Lonnie
Northwest Sidecars
Originally written by RedMenace on 6/13/2007 6:18 PM
Thanks. I really should try one out someday.
Does the nose dip in lefts? It looks like the front of the sidecar is quite high, perhaps to compensate?I can well believe the rigs are stable, between the weight , the width and HDs almost legendary low center of gravity.
From what I have heard passengers say, it seems you either love or you hate the sidecar body's sprung suspension. Some folks say it makes them motion sick, I have heard others assert it is the most comfortable ride you can find.
Variety and choices are a good thing, 'specially for a gear head 😉
I really couldn't tell what happens in extreme situations on turns since I don't make extreme moves on the sidecar. Every time I get too fancy my wife punches me in the right kidney. The machine doesn't seem to dip much either way, although I admit to slow, almost "regal" turns.
The sidecar will remain stable for the most part. I went one step farther and added a damper on the frame that holds the tub very flat even over bumps. Here's a picture. This is a VW steering damper (same part as the stock HD steering damper only $100 less expensive) but you could also use a 50-50 shock if you can find one anymore.
Guess it can happen to the best of us:
HARLEY DAVIDSON : SIDECAR Recall - NHTSA# 99V201000
Defect Summary: VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: MOTORCYCLES. THESE SIDECARS WERE BUILT WITH AN AXLE THAT COULD BREAK.
Consequence Summary: THIS COULD CAUSE A LOSS OF CONTROL OF THE MOTORCYCLE, RESULTING IN A CRASH.
http://www.automotiveresources.net/recalls/harley_davidson_sidecar_NHTSA:99v201000_recall-6918.html
Gee, Shortcut, bad mouthing other brands of bike and sidecar because you like yours, yep, that'll convince folks to purchase the same brand as you. Suuuuure it will. And for that matter, why do you need to have others on the same brand as you to feel better about yourself anyway?
I have to wonder how much of the kool aid you had to drink to get in that state of mind. If your life is defined by the purchases you've made, then you have not led a very interesting life.
Originally written by bill_powell on 6/14/2007 7:54 AM
Guess it can happen to the best of us:
HARLEY DAVIDSON : SIDECAR Recall - NHTSA# 99V201000
Defect Summary: VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: MOTORCYCLES. THESE SIDECARS WERE BUILT WITH AN AXLE THAT COULD BREAK.
Consequence Summary: THIS COULD CAUSE A LOSS OF CONTROL OF THE MOTORCYCLE, RESULTING IN A CRASH.
http://www.automotiveresources.net/recalls/harley_davidson_sidecar_NHTSA:99v201000_recall-6918.html
I think it makes no sense to put up a recall that occurred almost ten years ago to put down a certain brand. I wonder what brand of sidecar you have? Does the "factory" do any testing on your machine? What's your axle made out of?
There's no one who doesn't know about the axle problem. All owners were notified and all changes made.....in 1999 and close thereafter.
What a silly post. Frankly I'm getting tired of having my brand bashed. I have been posting here to help others out with some knowledge that I may have. It seems that it's getting to be pointless.
Between the picture of the carburetor label made in Japan which are no longer used and the stale recall that's been fixed, it appears that there isn't much going on here. There's certainly little for me to learn here
Ho hum.
