I could have sworn I posted a link to these, but I guess not. Sorry. http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/SidecarMike/Sidecar/Friendship%203/
Keep in mind these are all from a Friendship 3. I'm told the Friendship 2 SE used the same frame, but you can't prove it by me. Ignore the washers on the studs. That was an attempt by the previous owner to allow the use of a wider tire. I'm not currently using the brake, so can get you better photos of the caliper if you wish.
If this is a pre 1989 model with torsional suspension, retrofitting a brake isn't too difficult but without the conventional suspension (coil over shock) swingarm setup of the later models adding tilt would mean major mods. $$$
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Thanks for the pics.
Yours has a Brembo F04 caliper that has 60mm O.C. mounting holes, the same as the mounting holes in my FS I frame. That caliper has been discontinued by Brembo. I may have a line on a used one though.
Later units use a Brembo P32F caliper with 84mm mounting holes and is readily available.
I wish I knew what other applications use the rotor. CSC literature says it's a Brembo rotor but that's as much as I know. Jason from DMC (jaydmc) said he can get me a rotor and the later caliper and mount. I might just go that route rather than try to piece stuff together.
I can't see for sure but does the rotor bolt directly to the collar that's welded to the back of the hub?
Also does anyone know what the hole/tab in the frame just in front of the swing arm pivot is for?
My frame looks to be the same as Mike's FC III in the OP. This winter the tub is coming off to clean things up and add some ballast so I'll get a better look at it then.
@Lonnie - It's new enough that it has the coil over setup so I should be good to go.
tvking63 - 8/24/2011 10:26 PM Thanks for the pics. Yours has a Brembo F04 caliper that has 60mm O.C. mounting holes, the same as the mounting holes in my FS I frame. That caliper has been discontinued by Brembo. .
I have a perfectly good one, just don't have it mounted on the sidecar. I'm told that the Grimeca B256 and B257, sold by Pingle, is a bolt on interchange with the F04 Brembo.
Pingle is a couple hours from here. Maybe one day I'll ride down and physically compare them.
As far as your question about rotor mount, I ordered a new tire today. When it comes in I'll take a look.
Cool, that looks like it might work. According to Pingel the B256 and 257 have 41mm pistons. The Brembo F04 has a 32mm pistons so you'd have more leverage but also more pedal or lever travel using 41mm pistons. Or you could compensate by using a larger MC.
I think I'm gonna give them a call.
Also in post #55489 you mentioned the actuator amp draw being 3.8. Unless I'm reading the info wrong, the , 12v, 4'' stroke, 1000lbs cap, Electrak 10 says 14amps at full load.
Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
tvking63 - 8/25/2011 11:18 AM Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
Dang, that's too bad. I had two different guys, a Ducati nut and a KTM dealer, each tell me they were a direct replacement. I'll keep digging.
tvking63 - 8/25/2011 11:18 AM Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
We might not be shot down yet.
I just stumbled across this photo. I wonder if they can identify this Grimeca?
Does anyone have any pics of the later P32F Brembo caliper mounted on a California Sidecar? I'm welding on a new bracket to switch from the discontinued F04 to the P32F and cannot seem to find a location where it will clear the body.
tvking63 - 9/20/2011 2:20 PM Does anyone have any pics of the later F32 Brembo caliper mounted on a California Sidecar? I'm welding on a new bracket to switch from the discontinued F04 to the P32F and cannot seem to find a location where it will clear the body.
Did this work for you? Did you take any photos? (hint, hint)
I have the bracket modified to where I think it is going to work. But to weld it on, it would be easier/better if the control arm were off the frame. So I decide to wait until the weather killed the riding season to take it apart. That time is approaching pretty quickly.
I don't think I can mount it where the factory F04 caliper is, there just isn't enough room and the caliper hits the body. That's why I was asking for pics to see is the relief in the body is different than mine. With my body it will have to be closer to the 9 o'clock position.
I will take pics when I start the process which should be before the holidays.
Mike, your setup is what I want pics of. (hint, hint) 😉
tvking63 - 11/8/2011 9:01 PM I I will take pics when I start the process which should be before the holidays. Mike, your setup is what I want pics of. (hint, hint) 😉
Trouble is my brake caliper is laying in a ziplock bag on the shelf. I didn't like the brake on my Motorvation, so never installed this one. It had a separate pedal and no matter how lightly I applied it, it would lock up the tire . Even on the little Guzzi, I never really felt the need for it. The bike did a good job stopping the rig.
Now, with the Goldwing, I have more brakes than the Goose ever had.
I was thinking maybe I'd try to mount it after the riding season, as well. Sorry.
Mike - following with interest. I'll be taking the tub off my frame in spring, so I'll have a better look to see if I have caliper mounting tabs, etc. I measured my frame yesterday - it's definitely the short frame (23" center to center on the tubes), and will for sure require the custom DMC extension (already ordered). If you can rig up a brake, what's your plan - seperate brake pedal, or to tie into the existing rear brake circuit on your 1500? Given that the brake pedal already does 1 front rotor & the rear too, I'm wondering what's the smart way of doing this.
Daryl Martel - 11/9/2011 12:40 PM Mike - following with interest. I'll be taking the tub off my frame in spring, so I'll have a better look to see if I have caliper mounting tabs, etc. I measured my frame yesterday - it's definitely the short frame (23" center to center on the tubes), and will for sure require the custom DMC extension (already ordered). If you can rig up a brake, what's your plan - seperate brake pedal, or to tie into the existing rear brake circuit on your 1500? Given that the brake pedal already does 1 front rotor & the rear too, I'm wondering what's the smart way of doing this.
If I do it, I will tap in to the existing brakes. Haven't thought about front or back. What have others done?
On the GL1500 if you tap into the front, you will not have a firm feel to the brake, The master is two small, in the past we would bore it out with a jig I made for our milling machine to 5/8 inch, rebuild it using a kit from a early GL1100. This requires relocation of the holes between the resivour and the piston which of course requires pluging the original hole. Now that Honda has the GL1800 out, its master will fit if you want the brake tied to the front. The only real difference is that the bango fitting is on the side rather then the end. The way we have been hooking up the brakes on the GL1500 for the last few years is with a double banjo bolt to the rear calipar. We go to the calipar rather then the master as the master is a real pain to hook onto due to its location.
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