Incorrect voting procedure by USCA Board

According to Roberts Rules Part II Section 70

"The meetings of different societies vary greatly, and they should be managed differently in order to obtain the best results. Some societies require a strict enforcement of parliamentary rules, while with others the best results will be obtained by being informal. It is important that the presiding officer have tact and common sense, especially with a very intelligent assembly."

We will be meeting in this format. You may participate or not as you choose.

Dad Gum it the people on the board are the same people voting as they would whether the format is this way or that way or whatever. If the votes are visable for all too see what does it matter? The constitutuion is something that is susposed to be a help FOR members of the USCA and not a hinderance. Lets move forward and not start this silly bickering that was so evident last year over a document that doesn't make sense anyhow!!
Why not have a vote on how to vote right now and quench this questionable legalistic junk so this club can move on.How many board members feel this system will work th ebest for the club?
Claude

I really think we have a group of very intelligent people both as members and on the Board. They are scattered across the US with different work and internet habits. If someone felt strongly enough about the USCA to run for office they should have a chance to participate. These meeting should be open for all to see, to know what we are doing. We will get the polls figured out. They are a little different from the Yahoo polls but I know we can make it work. If necessary a vote on how to vote can be done. Board what do you say?

Oh, but would a vote on how to vote be a legitimate vote? It is a vicious circle.

the honeymoon is over and the pissing contests have begun again. this should be called the USCA Elementary School playground. as Pogo says " i have seen the enemy and it is us."
fly

Okay we have just had an election and I agree with Joyce in that there are some great folks on the board. I also feel they will be able to work together for the benefit of the ones who elected them. So...how about it board members you all going to speak up and get this bickering quenched right away or are we going to have to listen to another year of 'As the sidecar wheel turns'?

Seriously, I have an idea. (And everyone said.."oh no what now")
How about going ahead and having the polls just as it is being done. Then call an official bored meeting and simply ask the question of which board members want to change how they voted in the poll on (insert the issue here). State in the board meeting that if they do not speak up then their original response in the (whatever it was) poll will stand.
Maybe, just maybe, this is simple enough to make Colby happy and still be within whatever dumb guidelines are alledgedly setup while allowing some progress to be made in an effecient manner.
Or do I have to contact my area rep to allow him to bring this up in a bored meeting which needs to be called in a scheduled fashion or what?
If this is the case....HEY CHUCK ARE YOU READING THIS STUFF? IF SO BRING IT UP PLEASE...
Thank you for your time.
Claude
USCA National Chaplain (until he is told differently anyhow)

Claude
A vote by the Board on how to vote would also not be valid. The constitution and the bylaws prescribe how the voting will be done! If the majority of the board wants to change the constitution, then there is also a prescribed method on how to do that.
Fly, there is no pissing contest, only a right way and a wrong way to adiminister club BUSINESS, it has to be done according to the chartered corporate policys of the state of Illinois. If the majority of the Board doesn't like that, then there avanues to change that also.
I will insist on following the Constitution and bylaws, that is all I have ever done, and if you think that is a pissing contest, so be it.
Colby

Lets see, what are we being threatened with here. A letter to the Illinois State Corporate Dept. I suggest Colby,that you write your letter and maybe they can straighten this out for us. In the mean time if there is sufficient support we will include Hals cd offer in the membership packet. If it is determined by the State of Illinois Corporate Dept that we are in error we can just recall the coupons. How about that for a good solution?

Joyce,
A suggestion from an "Un-bored member":
How about including a disclaimer with the membership package in regards to any damages or injuries that could occur from following the procedures outlined in the text of the book?

Lonnie

Thanks Lonnie. Hal has agreed to such a statement along with accepting coupons for the cd's instead of just sending them as unsolicited.His reply is in the Board Forum discussion.

let's keep fighting among our selves. pretty soon we won't have any new members to worry about including a cd in their membership packet.
fly

Let me make sure that I understand the rules here, If Colby says it then it is wrong. Now Colby is Joyces' vice-president and the two of them have the responsibility to make this dog and pony show stay on the road.
Now we all know that Joyce wants to play by the rules right, because the rules are in place to keep a select few from making up new rules without the rest of us knowing, it also keeps part of the board from making changes on a sunday when the president is in church. Right Joyce, planning and schemeing never takes a day off. Now these rules are in place to protect the USCA.

Now if the board has not enough concern for the club to meet in a board meeting then we as members should not be bent at Colby for wanting to have the prescribed meeting. (What did I miss here)
There is nothing wrong with wanting business to be conduted in the proper manner. Yes it is incoveient and yes it does move slow but that is how progress is made.

The USCA is a for fun club, but it is also a real live business that has a bank account, a CEO in Ill and a corporate charter in Ill, that untill the USCA decides to change , we as the USCA must follow the rules that have been laid out in our charter and constitution.

Colby is a little blunt, but I will tell you that he is hands-down the best USCA Vice-president to date, and is second to no-one for having concern for the well-fare of the USCA.Colby is here because of his love for the USCA.

Just to make sure that I understand this line of post. We think that Colby is wrong because he wants the elected board to follow the rule of the USCA.

John W. Kennedy (YIC)

I've reviewed the Constitution and bylaws as well as Robert's Rules and, as far as I can ascertain, this is a properly called informal meeting, conducted openly, with a call for a vote on an issue. I don't see any specific documentation that says this is not a properly conducted meeting. If I'm missing it somewhere, please advise. Otherwise I see this as the Board taking the steps necessary to move forward using the available means provided to them. I see no place that requires the Board meeting to be conducted in a room (real or virtual) with everyone in one place arguing. The Board was notified of the meeting place (this forum) presented with a motion, and given the means to make a vote.

Not trying to be a wisea$$ or stir anything up so if I'm missing something here somebody tell me.

Just for the record.. the "CEO" of the USCA lives in Kansas, NOT Illinois (that's where your former paid vote lives). YOU changed the rules when you felt you had the power. Now Joyce is running things and you LOST the election. The fact that Colby's normal reaction is a threat instead of a suggestion is what we have come to expect. I've stayed out of this but I'm not going to let you take potshots "from the grave". I thought you picked up your marbles and "resigned the club" as a sore loser, please make me right.

I agree, Colby is a little blunt but he certainly isn't here because of his love for the USCA. He's here because I made the mistake of trusting him and asking him to do the rally in WI and nominating him to represent the Midwest. Two things I greatly regret. A good VP works for the club. He doesn't threaten it at every turn. He doesn't take liberties with USCA funds (like keeping a $1,000 for months before using it as it was supposed to be used) and he doesn't make unilateral changes in the way things are done (like instructing the Election Chair to open the ballots in secret). Get real, Colby has been and is a disaster for the USCA. Even his stauch supporters have given up on him.

Joyce has done everything in the open, something I can't say for your administration. You and Colby BENT the rules of the USCA to fit your agenda. You misquoted the laws of Illinois to allow illegal proxy voting (voting IS and "act") and you claimed credit for things that NEVER HAPPENED. Now let the ELECTED Board make a little progress so we won't have another two years of cronyism and stagnation.

And John, if you want to go to church that's fine. If you were still on the Board, you could go to church anytime you wanted and still participate unlike the rules you made up that limited participation to times that were best for you and Colby and EXCLUDED any BOD member that couldn't meet your schedule. Give it up, you were wrong from "Two Hats until you were finally VOTED OUT of office. This hasn't been a "fun club" for the past two years but now it has a chance if you'll just go away. And please learn to use a spell checker.