Hello to all...I know I posted on here about this subject before but I
need help finding the right place to locate and purchase a quick disconnect
for the brake line going to my wart. I've tried NAPA, rural king, a place we
have here local called mack machine and the ever so popular EBAY but can't
seem to find what I'm looking for ? Can I possibly not be calling it like it sounds
or are there only certain places to find this type of hardware...?
That's all for now and Thanks for reading...
Go to a Hyd supply and get one, all tractors have them, they have a spring loaded ball that's a check valve that will seal the line but be aware that you will get air in the line when you reconnect it.
That is not at all what I think I would use... I often wondered what boat trailers that had hydraulic brakes use...and travel trailers.... I know those do not actually transfer fluids...they must have some sort of master and slave cylinder assembly... anything else would allow air into the system...
Joel
I think if I decide to install hydraulic brakes....I will use a seperate master cylinder for the hack...and link it to the brake rod on the bike...that way if I wanted to disconnect, I would remove the seprate master cylinder and never open the system...
Joel
Many trailers use surge brakes where forward momentum operates the hydraulics when the tow vehicle slows or stops.
Most others use electric brakes.
Very few quick disconnects are able to work without letting some small amount of air into the system. Some are able to self bleed and others will cause problems unless they are bled each time they are reconnected.
Lonnie
The separate pedal system is an ideal setup if it is practical to use it. One can have the complete brake system mounted to the sidecar frame and it isn't compromised if the hack is dismounted.
One can also"finesse" the braking with practice, using more pressure on either pedal to achieve the best braking. This is especially useful off road for making quick turns or drifting the rig without flying the chair.
With the changing traction capabilities of the sidecar tire due to direction of travel, loading, brake unit differences and road surfaces, a direct linked brake does not always produce straight line braking. Especially during a panic stop.
Lonnie
If your sidecar came equipped with the brake, you should be able to go back to the manufacture or contact them for one. Or try here;
http://www.goodridge.co.uk/ or here
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=quick+disconnect+brake+hose+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/coupling.cfm
Here it is! They claim no leakage and no air infiltration. Not cheap but if it works it will save a lot of time messing with brakes after removing/attaching a sidecar.
Holy Shi*,,,,$369.90,,,not cheap is some what of a under statment.
surge brakes are only actually legal for private use - for commercial use they have been illegal since the 30's and a reinforcing illegality since 54... there are intrastate exceptions.. but they are uneven at best. if its in commerce it really should follow 393.41 - don't make the mistake that "private so not illegal" means the same as "ok and not liable"...
the main brake - is supposed to be from "one control" motorcycles have to have a foot brake - and can have a hand brake - and new from mfg have to have a brake on all wheels... the owner can do what he wants. ie a bike can have front and rear on the foot brake, or front hand and rear foot - but all wheels have to have brakes on all vehicles mfg since 71 & the front brake cannot be removed from anything mfg after 1980.. almost no cop will ever say anything about it.. but.....
it really does not matter, separate pedals work fine - its just that doing stuff like that puts you in a really poor legal position after a accident....
its almost always the fault of the car/truck driver who hit you - but if your brakes are not, uh, standard or better - they make it your fault...
just let that bee float around in your head once in awhile - a wheel with no brakes - or unusual controls will get you blamed for you and your passengers injuries...
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"but all wheels have to have brakes on all vehicles mfg since 71 & the front brake cannot be removed from anything mfg after 1980"
In the US a sidecar is not a vehicle it is an accessory. The motorcycle must have brakes on all wheels.
This statute does not apply to accessories.
Lonnie
pure fantasy poppy cock. wish it were true to be honest.
if the wheel is on the vehicle & it was built after 1980 it has to have brakes on every single wheel - even if its not on the ground when its inspected, for whatever reason a state/fed vehicle inspector is looking at it. the 4th or 5th lift axle on a dump truck is a accessory and its 800 bux per wheel if it doesn't have a working brake even if its up in the air at the time.. same with a converter dolly, same with a trailer [however, if a trailer is less than 3000 lb it can be up to 40% of the towing vehicle gcvwr with no brakes as long as the combination is under the gcvwr] to be specific thats why harley says NO trailers - there is no way to have a trailer and stay under the gcvwr.. just no way. on a hd with a hd sidecar the gcvwr is 1600~ lb. bike alone is 1200~ lb if you "call" the sidecar a trailer and claim that as the reason for no brake the combination has to be UNDER the gcvwr of the bike alone and the sidecar has to be less than 40 percent of the actual wt. - it wont EVER make the under 1200 and it will get close to 40% the no brake on a sidecar idea is a lost cause.
plain fact - im a dot inspector - im not just making it up. - i asked at my last recert class [mostly to see what the fed guy would say] - i can inspect the thing and put a sticker on it - if it has no brake on any wheel - no sticker & i have to put a out of service decal on the windshield and report it to the state police... nice... not the answer i expected - if its PRIOR to 1980 it can have no front brake and its ok - but the sidecar wheel is not a front brake so no joy.
the whole point is this - you can do whatever you want and nobody is ever going to bother you, knock yourself out and go have fun - but if you are ever in front of a judge and you are not doing what the rules say you will be held partially liable. you wont get a ticket - if you are a para due to some moron texting in there car at a stop sign they might call your "broken brake" 40 % say.. if the jury just gave you 3m - thats 1.2m out the door. so please, all, do what you want - just do it with your eyes wide open ok?
its not nice, or amusing - but its the fact.
ill reiterate - you wont ever get a ticket - but the opposing lawyer will hand you your ass in a trash can.
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"to be specific thats why harley says NO trailers - there is no way to have a trailer and stay under the gcvwr.. just no way. on a hd with a hd sidecar the gcvwr is 1600~ lb. bike alone is 1200~ lb if you "call" the sidecar a trailer and claim that as the reason for no brake the combination has to be UNDER the gcvwr of the bike alone and the sidecar has to be less than 40 percent of the actual wt. - it wont EVER make the under 1200 and it will get close to 40% the no brake on a sidecar idea is a lost cause."
Poppycock? I still don't see where your argument is valid. First let me state that neither of us is a lawyer.
Second let me state that a sidecar is NOT a vehicle OR a trailer. In every State that I am aware of, a trailer is classified as a licensable vehicle. however, a sidecar is classified as an accessory State regulation wise and insurance wise. I'm sure that the insurance companies have a lawyer or two on their payrolls who would certainly make a change in their insurance requirements if the sidecar was classified as a vehicle. For two reasons; cash flow and litigation liability.
I don't really want to pursue this further but, like the President's "Health Reform" legislation I'm not convinced that your explanation is the correct answer.
Now, can we give the thread back to the original subject?
Have a nice day,
Lonnie
Hack'n - 2/26/2010 11:57 AM
The separate pedal system is an ideal setup if it is practical to use it. One can have the complete brake system mounted to the sidecar frame and it isn't compromised if the hack is dismounted.
One can also"finesse" the braking with practice, using more pressure on either pedal to achieve the best braking. This is especially useful off road for making quick turns or drifting the rig without flying the chair.
With the changing traction capabilities of the sidecar tire due to direction of travel, loading, brake unit differences and road surfaces, a direct linked brake does not always produce straight line braking. Especially during a panic stop.Lonnie
Lonnie is right for most combinations.
Anyone can hook up asidecar brake and think they did a great thing as th erig may take no steering coreections whne stoping at a traffice light. However this can be counterproductive if one does not practice panic stops ( you know the type of stops that can save your butt or require funeral arrangements to be made). Panic situations are such that one shoudl be fairly confident on what their outfit is going to do. If you are not then you have simply not practiced very well.
When we do install a sidecar brake we prefer the self contained type of system with it's own master cylinder etc. Typically we link the sidecar brake pedal to the rear brake pedal of the bike and provide adjustment for brake bias. Typically we do not do sidecar brakes for many reasons but can if someone wants one or thinks they do.
Question tp Timo
: How many trailers pulled behind motorcycles have trailer brakes?
