Suzuki C-90T help
I recieved the following via email. I advised Jay to log on here and see what you guys can advise him.
Hi,
This is very new territory for me but I'm about as Northwest N.A. as you can get...Yukon, Canada, next door to Alaska. I used to ride in motorcycle sidecars as small child in England. I liked it. My Father had a sidecar hooked up to a great big oil dripping Matchless.
I'm a faily well preserved 67 year old man who rides a Suzuki C-90T and my wife of 46 rides a 2008 Vulcan 900 Custom. Tell you the truth, I wish it was my bike. It's a nimble, very highway capable bike. But it's not mine and when the weather is right she is on it. Sometimes I don't feel like being a biker on my heavy powerful bike but still want to drive it, maybe pack a kid around but not on the back, or groceries or just for around town stability and so the option of a sidecar comes to mind. Who knows? I might even get my wife in one some days.
Before I went to the expense of that route though I would want a sidecar that I could mount and detach without a whole big day of wrenching, one with some kind of convertible top and one that had a design that didn't look like a wart stuck on the side of my bike.
I happen to think that well designed sidecars on the right bike can be really cool and useful. Can you help?
I'll send you a following jpeg of the bike I'm thinking of hooking one up to.
Thanks,
R.Jay Spragg, Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
Jay:
Whoa....you are gonna get some different slants from all the various personalities on this forum. I kinda like some of the newer designs in sidecars when marrying to a more contemporary cruiser. The present rig i pilot you can see on the rigs for sale threads, and, i think i got an extreme left handed compliment one day at a big bike rally.....a guy comes up and says...."..i did not know that Honda started making sidecars".
Most sidecars, as you may know, get attached to bikes by some 4 point mountings. These mounts have adjustability, and once set-up they can re-attach and come off in very short time. Literally, in less than 15 minutes. That being said, i never want to bring it back to 2 wheels....my dog would have no place to ride, i could no-longer use the excuse.."what do you need from the store..?"....or...any of the other infinite number of excuses to get out and ride. You will find as i do the relaxed pace and freedom to really enjoy the countryside, an urban street, or any place in between. When you talk wifey into the s/c, she falls asleep reading her favorite book- you can continue down the road with a big grin. If you took a poll of all the sidecarists, they would all say the same thing..." i thought i still had to occasionally lean.."....nah......it's 3 wheels always..! Jump on, you'll love it..!!
Leo
great Idea Jay,...I run an 02-800 marauder and fitted an older Cali F1 car which looks better then the average road kill,..style and design for "your eye" is what's important,..any car could be matched to your bike, but what appeals to you personally???
i find the texas cars, hannigans, Velorex and cali cars pleasant to the eye,..the military design, or the oxfords seem a little harsh on the lines to me, I like the softer curves to match my bike,...you will have to find a car that is weighted correctly, and a pleasure for your eye, my car is installed or detached in about 20 minutes,however; the correctly fitted car will be on a dedicated tug,to frame welded points, and correctly fabricated subframe may be required for you specific "rig package", there are several dealers and classifieds here to help, and someone may have a pic of your desired rig, and tech specs for ya,...good luck crawf.
R.Jay,
What doesn't look like a "wart" is in the eye of the beholder.
The easy on-easy off idea is also one that can bite one in the a**.
Many of the sidecars that are available will tout 15 minutes on or off or easily dismounts for solo riding. Not always true.
Be warned that if a sub-frame is needed to mount the sidecar, the odds are that you will have a limited bank angle available on the sidecar side if the sidecar is removed. Some sub-frames are so low or so far out from the bike that any turn above a walking pace will cause the sidecar mounts to contact the roadway when the bike banks into the turn.
Most folks end up leaving the sidecar attached after one or more dismounts. It's just too troublesome to remove the sidecar and the sub-frame for a solo jaunt.
Lonnie
Northwest Sidecars, LLC
Jay,
I'm very much a newbie here, so take my advice with an extra grain of salt. I just mounted a Texas Sidecar to my Vulcan 900. With only some minor issues with mounting it, it rides great. I think it'd easily mount to most modern cruisers with very little problem. Personally, I like the looks of the Ural and Liberty sidecars, but the Texas Sidecar grew on me (especially since Bob Darden (owner of Texas Sidecars) was only a few hours from me).
From what I've seen a large portion of the sidecar decision is a matter of taste and requirements. It seems, with the right expertise (which you will find here) you can mount virtually any side car to any bike. There are certainly some better combinations that others. So look around and decide what you like and then jump in and ask the experts.
Rob
well said nerd,..I found the ol' men of the mountain very helpful here when I was setting up,..cheers, crawf.
Hey J. Ray This is H. Harold. Are you out there listening? I spent several days in White horse July of 04. The temp was over 90 degrees and the natives were suffering.
Any way the side car is the topic. I am a old rider, 45 years on 2 wheels but have had the rig for only 3 years. But I have been hanging around these unbalanced asymmetical people for several years. My conclusions were these:
For your first rig buy one that is already set up or have an expert set yours up (correct subframe and steering geometry).. It still might not be right for you but should be close. Once you get it right, Right means that it steers easely and zero pull on the cruise, you will not want to take it apart nor will it ride as a solo.
My solution is to have 2 identical bikes. One that leans and one that doesn't. Harold In Kansas
I got the following from Jay today so I sent him a link to this thread- Maybe he will check in.
Thanks for your prompt reply Joyce, that was nice of you.
I don't expect to get a sidecar this year because my wife and I have a one month bike tour planned for this summer, from the Yukon and all around beautiful British Columbia and back up here. That's a lot of miles and the season is short, 4 and half months if you stretch it. This will be the first chance my wife and I have to go cruising together. We're both excited about that prospect. So there will be no time to be had finding, getting and learning to drive with a sidecar. But at some point, very possibly next year, if I can find the right model I want one. Most probably I'll have to get one from the States and delivered way up here. That's going to be a project in itself I fear.
In the 20 years that I've lived in the North, I've only seen one motorcycle with a nifty sidecar attached passing through here on it's way to Alaska. It had Washington plates on it. I really do remember riding in my Father's sidecar in England. I was about 8 years old and it really was fun for me, the dry days were just a blast with the folding top down and I was snug as a little bug while my Dad was out there in the pouring rain. It tends to do that a lot in England.
You may be right Joyce about me not wanting to detach it once I've got one mounted on my C-90T. However I do sometimes get to enjoy riding her Vulcan 900 around the curves and mountains that we have so much of around this general area, so I may have to buy myself one of those in the future. For what it's worth I personally find the Vulcan 900 a lot easier to ride in changing road situations than my big 1500cc Suzuki. It's really a highway cruiser and does that just fine but for ups and downs and tight curves it's a bit of a brute and I'm a long way from anything you would recognize as a freeway.
I haven't had a chance yet to explore your site, but I will. If you have any links you think I may be interested in, perhaps you could send them to me.
Thanks,
Jay
Hi Jay, used to overnight in Whitehorse on the way to and from Lake Atlin where my folks had a place. Took the kids out to Takini Hot springs coming and going. Have a picture of our kids and their cousins doing a wave style back roll into the pool there. Welcome to the idea of sidecaring. We just started last summer and hope to hit it hard later this month, we gave up on winter getting over here anytime soon and spent the last 10 days of January in the greater Phoenix area looking for a snow birding place. Will take the side car with us as it was 70 deg F the day we left to come back to Moses Lake, WA and start packing so we are ready when the paperwork is done. I'd agree with the folks that a rig hooked up is best left that way and have another bike for solo runs. I'm running the older versions of the S-40 Suzuki (LS650) and they work for us. I believe there is a good sidecar place in BC which might help with the duties and paperwork shuffle. Must be on in AB also.
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