Hey Claude,
When the weather breaks back east I'll drop by for sure. Would love to see what you have going on there.
Originally written by ditch on 12/8/2007 3:40 PM
Hey Claude,
When the weather breaks back east I'll drop by for sure. Would love to see what you have going on there.
Looking for ward to it. Be sure to call first.
I'm considering a stage 2 upgrade....$3500 at a dealership in Dallas.....or...
...trading up to an 08 screaming eagle with a new tub, March delivery at the earliest and big $$, but a real kick butt machine with a new 2 year warranty.....or...
... thinking about changing out motors...S&S 110" about $4k + installation and I could sell the original Twin Cam.....
if you are willing to change out/redo the engine - get a S&S 124 kit - use the factory cases [less hassle with factory cases and factory case numbers....]
comes with new heads, cylinders, pistons, crank, cams, gear drive for the cams, electric compression release, all the gaskets - use a se race tuner or the S&S system - dyno tune it and you will have over well over 100 hp. and big 2000 to 3000 torque, there is a recent article in american iron detailing the kit.
it all depends on if you want totally street legal and under warranty or want best power for the fewest bux. check out the latus dyno site, check out heavy duty cycles, read the articles on making good power at the lower end.
there is no substitue for cubic inches.
still - if i had the bux id get a se 110" road king - they have some of the best torque numbers, radial tires & and are all factory stock.
[note - the rear swing arm, fenders, fender struts etc etc are all special on that bike to hold a 170r17 radial rear wheel. the front has a 130r18" radial, the front wheel has cast knobs that hold the floating rotor with no center. sort of like a buel - should make a awesome sidecar bike with a raked tree and no other changes]
so far that set of wheels/tires is not available on the ultras or i would be saving my dimes.
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Originally written by ditch on 12/8/2007 9:18 PM
I'm considering a stage 2 upgrade....$3500 at a dealership in Dallas.....or...
...trading up to an 08 screaming eagle with a new tub, March delivery at the earliest and big $$, but a real kick butt machine with a new 2 year warranty.....or...
... thinking about changing out motors...S&S 110" about $4k + installation and I could sell the original Twin Cam.....
Hey Ditch if you are going through all of that just for a chick magnet Bob' idea may not be too bad. Sidecars on bikes alone are pretty appealing no matter what they are...lol
Ducking and running.....
Just kidiing honest
Hey Ditch, where about in Pittsburgh do you live? I used to live there, don't miss it, Doc.
Claude, the blonde statement is just an observation. I know what they really want is a relationship with my pooch.
They never comment on me. This is a typical encounter: "ohhhh what a cute dog....and a cool bike....love the side car thingy.....bye".
I live in Sq. Hill, when I'm there.....
Hey Tim,
I really like the idea of the 124 kit. I'll go to the bookstore and see if I can find that American Iron issue. Using the existing cases makes so much sense.
I could probably make an argument for spending the $$$ on a new rig....but that in itself poses a problem, I really like the rig I have now....and I can't find a dealer who will even commit to being able to get me a matching '08 tub, let alone a delivery date.
In fact....this gives me an idea for a whole new thread. The lack of knowledge, or marketing that Harley provides it's dealers concerning sidecars.
Thanks for a great response.
Ed,
Just gotta compliment you on that rig. Looks like 75 mph sittin' still.
NO sidecar rig ever has too much power though.
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Claude Stanley
Claude,
as allways there is allways an exception to the rule...
Typical 2 stroker trouble in snow!
You have too less or too much power on the back wheel....
There you would love to have a flat torque curve like with a 4 stroker.
...
on the other hand you don't need to put a stove below the engine for half an hour to be able to start the engine.....
-28ºC third kick and let the spikes throw snow...
Choooot chooot
Sven Peter Pan
Originally written by Peter Pan on 12/9/2007 1:44 PM
NO sidecar rig ever has too much power though.
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Claude StanleyClaude,
as allways there is allways an exception to the rule...
Typical 2 stroker trouble in snow!
You have too less or too much power on the back wheel....
There you would love to have a flat torque curve like with a 4 stroker.
...
on the other hand you don't need to put a stove below the engine for half an hour to be able to start the engine.....
-28ºC third kick and let the spikes throw snow...
Choooot chooot
Sven Peter Pan
Okay Peter Pan you got me there ALTHOUGH you are actually talking about a type of power curve rather than actual power. Yes, I agree that 'peeky' short poower curves are not the ideal thing for sidecar rigs especially in small displacement two strokes no matter how much power they put out once in the zone so to speak.
Years ago my first experience with a powerful two stroke was on a 360 dirt bike. I had a lot of experience in scrambles and off road stuff prior to that but only on four strokes. Well I took this thing out and rode it like a 4 stroke. Came in and told the guy it was a dog that should be riding on a trailer and had no business at a race track. He said to go back out hold it wide open and bang the gears up and down. Well was he ever right!! That thing went like the wind although i had to learn how to ride all over again. Once in the power band (on the pipe) that thing was a monster but anywhere below that magic RPM it was pretty mild. It woudl have made an absolutely awful sidecar tug IMHO for most applications.
Hmmmmmm.....a 360.....maybe a Husqvarna?
actually ive seen a LOT of paperwork that harley gives its dealers - but the salesmen dont read any of it because they see it as low margin and often will quote outrageous prices to just either shut up the prospect or make a huge margin.
i really do not think its a harley problem - i think its a dealer / salesman problem.
page 46 of november 2007 - donny peterson s&s 124 hot set up.
one issue is that most after market head pipes wont fit with a sidecar - so se 4" mufflers and a sert with dyno tuning would probably be really needed.
and i would take it to a dealer that does this sort of work ie a s&s cert shop - dont be the guinea pig.
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Claude,
the same experience I had with a 1979 Maiko 125ccm Motocross (under 9500 rev nothing, would come up the floor even in last gear up to 14000 rev) and Kawa 550 mach3.
hell of an engine on a 14km round trip in 2 bends exactly in the middle of the curve there was THE point. 5500rev. I handed it back with slottering knees.
OK, enough memories and hitchhiking the thread.
I don't think the friend with power problems will think about a laugh gas injection. I have seen that once. Impressive but not very healthy to the engine. He for shure should go first through a thoughly fine tune and the hack: take off all fancy after market junk that distortion the engines performance. Normally a good original set up well fine tuned is better then the playing arround of "want to be experts".
In 1987 Porsche made an experience with several engines redesigning exact fitting intake and exaust system. (Harley/Norton/BMW/MotoGuzzi/+??) They lowered the noise in a lot, lowered the consumption by 8-11%, and raised power by some 5-11% but the Torque output and low end torque they raised up to 25-35% in all test bikes.
That was pretty impressing that there does exist still a lot of reserve in factory designs. But who has the knowledge and engineering teem to get the best out of an engine? For sure not the fans of "free sight to the valves" pipes.
Best regards
Sven Peter
