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(@sh1bby69)
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I have a KLR650 with a sputnik sidecar. Currently the hack is running great! Brakes straight and does not pull left or right. The only thing I'm concerned about is making my left hand turns. I feel like there is a lot of nose dip and the rear wheel feels like it's lifting up. Would having too much wheel lead cause this issue?


 
Posted : June 11, 2013 4:06 pm
(@peter-pan)
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I did not hack my KLR650 just because of a couple of missmatches between KLR and Velorex. When I saw a Sputnik on an ISCH I was recalling my experiences with the MZ/Superelastik during my university time. After once the nose got stuck on a paving stone I mounted PE / UHMW-PE plastic in the touch down corner. So it would slip - not catch.
Anyhow the collegue never again rode with me home....Why? I cannot tell - (yo no fui- Ich? Aber nicht doch)

The KLR suspension is extremely soft and as well the Sputnik (and the Superelastic) You should think about a torsion link between both suspensions for to get rid of this wavy behaviour.
This will join both swings and avoid that one goes up and one down, but both will lower in bends and this way the rig stay more stable in bends.
In the MZ there were on both swing arms a capturing cup with rubber in which the torsion bar would fit in. The torsion bar was shaped as a hat, made out of 5/8" - 3/4" spring steel and mounted with 2 rubber patched clamps to the front beam of the sidecar.
As long You do not feel confortable with the rig, continue to improove its design.
Best if You contact a knowlegable specialist if You are just starting with this new hobby.
Sven


 
Posted : June 11, 2013 4:46 pm
(@sh1bby69)
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Thanks! I was looking into the torsion link. Is that something I can make at home or require special attention when creating one...


 
Posted : June 11, 2013 6:25 pm
(@swampfox)
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Here is a sample of one of Claude Stanley's anti-sway bars:

Edited for pic of KLR/Sputnik rig (a pic I think you've seen at: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=891295) .

Also see this recent discussion where, as c64club points out below, stiffening the suspension improved handling: http://www.sidecar.com/mbbs22/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11186&posts=23&start=1

Another pic, just because I like the nose-to-tail racing stripesCool:


Lee
MB5+TW200+CRF250L+GTV300+INT650
XL883R w/Texas Ranger Sidecar
Zuma 50F + Burgman w/Texas Sidecar<Mrs. SwampFox

 
Posted : June 11, 2013 6:59 pm
(@c64club)
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The simpliest and fastest way, before you design and make some changes, is to pack every heavier things as close to rear wheel as possible. And as far left-rear as possible from the line that connects the points, where bike's front wheel and car's wheel touch the ground. And also try to make bike's suspension somewhat harder. KLR's suspension is softer than sputnik's one. Try to fill bike's damper with heavier oil.
Then you have time to tune your hack 🙂


 
Posted : June 11, 2013 11:33 pm
(@Phelonius)
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The rear wheel lift might be because you are cornering to the left at an unsafe speed.


 
Posted : June 15, 2013 10:17 am
(@sh1bby69)
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Thanks for your input everyone! I have slow my speed down a bit and also have gotten use to shifting my weight around on the sidecar during the turns. There is a bit of learn curve but I can't get enough of it. I did order a new shock in hopes to replace the sputnik one. Also I'm getting with a fabricator to help build a sway bar/torsion spring for my hack. That should help out a bit as well.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 9:44 pm