MOUNTS

Al, From another Al, you should consider a subframe for this application. BMW frames after the /2 bikes are really not up to the task of pulling a sidecar without some reinforcement. A subframe will do that for you and it will provide a ready set of mounting points that will make the whole job a bunch easier.

Your profile doesn't say where you are. If you tell us, maybe we can find someone near you to help out. Good Luck and welcome to sidecaring!

Thanks for the reply, am in Fort worth TX

Try Perry, he should be able to get you set up.
Perry's Motorcycles & Sidecars
(Former owner of BMW of Fort Worth.)
816 South Sylvania
Fort Worth, Tx. 76111
817-429-9922
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Hours 12-6 Mon
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www.perrysmotorcycles.com

Thanks, will head over there this week.

Al

Yep, Perry knows where his towel is. He can definitely make it happen.

We make mounts for this aplication and have them in stock.
Jay Giese
Dauntless Motors Corporation
www.dauntlessmotors.com
866-638-1793

I have a 1978 BMW R-100/7. I contracted Lowell Neff to build a custom subframe for fitting a 1999 Ural sidecar to the bike. Although it was not a speedy process, the workmanship and fit were excelent. I can recomend his products. It mounted very easily and bolted up with no problems. The subframe is quite strong and produced a very solid mount for the Ural. Lowell has been doing this for a very long time and I am sure he can help you out. Here is the website.

http://personal.riverusers.com/~lneff/

Thanks for all inputs. I checked www.dauntlessmotors.com and it seams that they use just the clamps,bosses,ect,, though when I click on the link from Dauntless for the Dneper set up nothing comes up. For Perry he wants to do the set-up him-self which would be my last resort since it is a bit more expensive. For Lowell Neff it looks like he is the only one that has the subframe and not sure if that is all I would need to hook up the hack. I believe I have enough mech skills to put this hack together. I see that there was the suggestion that I do need a sub-frame but have see lots of hacks without it and they seem do do just fine, so I think I could go either way between Dauntles and Lowell Neff. I guess what it will come down to cost and ease of putting the hack on with the prospective hardware.

Thanks!
Al

I assume the Dnepr hack is very similar to the Ural I installed on my '78 R-100/7, using Lowell Neff's mount. The mount attaches in 6 or 7 places on the BMW frame. The mount has the two balls that the lower "clamshell" type attachment points hook up to. The front upper mount attaches to the frame down tube, and the rear upper mount is built into the frame itself. Nothing else is needed. I also researched a Dauntless mount, but it required cutting, moving and rewelding the lower front "clamshell" type attachment which would not allow the sidecar ever to go back on a Ural. The Neff mount did require a slight modification to the rear "clamshell", but this one simply slides out and can be replaced if I ever want it to go back on the Ural. Lowell builds these one at a time after you pay a downpayment and it was 6 or 7 months before I received it. I tried to attach some pics but they are too large. If you would like some pics let me know and I'll snap some more and post.

" Perry knows where his towel is"

What does THAT mean?!

Originally written by Uncle Ernie on 2/23/2008 11:01 PM

" Perry knows where his towel is"

What does THAT mean?!

Douglas Adams subreference. If you understood it, you probably chuckled, if you didn't, hopefully it didn't offend.

Originally written by shoelu on 2/23/2008 2:08 PM

I assume the Dnepr hack is very similar to the Ural I installed on my '78 R-100/7, using Lowell Neff's mount. The mount attaches in 6 or 7 places on the BMW frame. The mount has the two balls that the lower "clamshell" type attachment points hook up to. The front upper mount attaches to the frame down tube, and the rear upper mount is built into the frame itself. Nothing else is needed. I also researched a Dauntless mount, but it required cutting, moving and rewelding the lower front "clamshell" type attachment which would not allow the sidecar ever to go back on a Ural. The Neff mount did require a slight modification to the rear "clamshell", but this one simply slides out and can be replaced if I ever want it to go back on the Ural. Lowell builds these one at a time after you pay a downpayment and it was 6 or 7 months before I received it. I tried to attach some pics but they are too large. If you would like some pics let me know and I'll snap some more and post.

The rear Dauntless Mount is a simple "Pull one out and push the other in". The front mount gets cut, and a new slide-in one put in it's place, but the old piece could be saved and reused later.

IMO mounting this with no subframe is a recipe for disaster. If you use it long you will have frame damage. If you are lucky it won't cause anyone to get hurt when you find it. It's your money and your bike, but if I am putting another person in jeopardy I make sure to do things as safely as I can. After 1969 BMW didn't build a frame heavy enough for sidecar use without a subframe to spread the forces. After 1969 BMW gave up sidecars and became about making the best solo bikes they could (and this included reducing weight by lightening the frame).

Please think over your mounting carefully. In certain circumstances quite a bit of force can be generated with a sidecar in places bikes aren't built to withstand them.

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