Hi All,I just installed a Smart Security System on a 07 EG. It does not seem to work based on the lack of the flashing key symbol on the panel. I followed the instructions in the box and in the service manual. I was told that a roll over switch was installed as part of the tle installation but I don't know what the roll over switch looks like or where to find it on the bike to see if in fact it is installed. First does anyone know where the rollover switch is located, and second has anyone installed one of these systems and know of something I have forgotten to do or must do to get it to work?RND
Since you installed according to instructions and checked out service manual[the big book] take the bike back to dealer it may be other warranty work.that is what I WOULD DO WITH MINE
the smart security unit must be programmed at the dealer to work with a sidecar - found that out with my 07 u
alos -my 04 sidecar came with the roll over switch that came with it - but its NOT installed on a 07 U that switch only gets put on very specific bikes - & a 07 wont use it - its all in software in the signal units program - if you replace the signal unit with the security / signal unit - the program is in the other one
your dealer mech needs to have a heart to heart with the factory guys to get this right
Thanks for the feed back. I removed the alarm, cause the thing wouldn't run, and put the TSM back on. The rollover is on the bike and I was told it was switched to the sidecar setting but I guess in spite of what I was told something else has to be programed.RD
on my 2007 i was told that it did not need the roll over unit installed
there is something definetely wrong - somebody is confused, but i have no idea at all who
i do know that on 06 & 07 ultras bikes there are specific wires from the head unit to the sidecar plug on the 06 & 07 sidecar harness - so when its plugged in the bike knows its there.. [look really close at the wireing diags in the 07 manual and you will find wires labled **sc** - when the ultra sc harness is plugged in the bike "knows" its there]
after that i dont know
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also the dealer found this all out when i installed the 04 sidecar on the 07 bike and i changed out the sc harness for the 06-07 version so all the sound functions would work right - there is NO download with a tsm - no bank angle stuff, nothing - just plug the ultra sc harness in and its done
but there IS supposed to be a download if there is a tssm installed & i has to be done plugged into harleys computer, there is no way to program it at home
all that said however - the 07 sidecar service manual is still not out - so all this info was figured out debugging the install. - im not going to put the tssm in untill i get ahold of that manual so i know exactly how its supposed to be programmed.
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Yea, we are both waiting on that manual. I am taking the bike to the dealer and having them check the alarm. I was told that the wiring on the police bike is the same as any other EG with just an additional interconnect harness, but looking at the police service manual supplement and the service manual along with the parts book for the bike I find more than just a few things are unique to the police model.
If you have a TSM (no security) then adding the smart siren alarm will not work. You must add the alarm to the TSSM (Turn signal & security Module). The bank angle sensor inside the TSM or TSSM should be set to Sidecar so that it does not shut off your motor during a high g-force flat turn as with a sidecar. That G- force may let the bank angle sensor think you have passsed 45 degrees and shut off the engine. In solo mode it is designed to work when you bank a solo motorcycle into the turn. You would really have to turn hard to trip the engine though.
As far as the police modle being the same other than a inrface someone is blowing smoke I can tell you from experince and about $1800.00 I bought a police bike because the dealer told me the same thing i couldn't add a radio or cruise controlwithout changing the main harness.
Good luck
yes the police model is quite different - radio, cruise, intercom - all require a totally new ultra harness.. big bux.
the 04 uses a bank sensor that is mounted on the rear fender with a special y cable - on the new ones its in the tsm or tssm - if its a ultra there are 5, i think wires from the main harness that specifically go to the ultra sidecar harness and when the ultra sidecar harness is plugged in the whole system changes its operation by itself -
still im not going to get the tssm unit [ i really want it this summer as we are going on some trips] untill i have the sidecar manual so i can get it programmed right.
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I have a new 07 Smart Security System to install, the dealer put the bank angle switch in during the car install, the dealer still insists that the switch has been changed to the sidecar setting and that the alarm system should work fine. The bank angle is mounted right next to the TSM. I had to remove the security system and put the TSM back in to get the bike to run. This was all done as per the 07 service manual and the instructions that came with system, so I guess the dealer will have to figure it out. All the changes, on the 07, have sure messed things up!RND
Originally written by timo482 on 2/1/2007 9:04 AM
on my 2007 i was told that it did not need the roll over unit installed
there is something definetely wrong - somebody is confused, but i have no idea at all who
i do know that on 06 & 07 ultras bikes there are specific wires from the head unit to the sidecar plug on the 06 & 07 sidecar harness - so when its plugged in the bike knows its there.. [look really close at the wireing diags in the 07 manual and you will find wires labled **sc** - when the ultra sc harness is plugged in the bike "knows" its there]
after that i dont know
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As far as I know, the bikes from 2003 to 2006, at least, require the connection of the 88115-03 Rollover Switch. This will then require the use of the dealer's Digital Technician to toggle the unit to "sidecar". I'm certain of this since I have the 2006 manual (99485-06) and it specifically states that the rollover cable and the use of the Dig. Tech. are required on any FL bike up through 2006 when adding a sidecar.
If there is a change, it would have had to be on the 2007 FL model or possibly the Police FL model but I don't see why. Of course, I don't have or need the 2007 manual. Maybe someone wth the 2007 manual can comment.
It's important for you to clarify this since the bike is unsafe if the bank angle sensor is not changed, either manually, with the Digital Technician or automatically in some way. The engine could possibly shut down on a hard left turn if not corrected for Rollover Protection. Bear in mind that there is no bank angle or rollover sensor in any of the sidecar-mounted attachment cables on either the TLE ot TLE/U.
On the FL, as you know, the bank angle sensor is under the seat and the Rollover switch is added in that area, at least up to 2006. Confusing, isn't it? Ha.
For the record, I have a 2004 FLHTCUI with a TLE that is configured to 2005 due to the paint match to my bike, and dated as 2007 first sold. I received the Rollover Switch with the sidecar package.
Comments?
the 2007 sidecar manual has not been published yet so nobody has it - i paid for it in august and do not yet have it - the hd tech- via the phone in milw- said its ok to drive as is.. but who knows. what i do know, so far, follows.
i have the switch but i only have directions saying to install it on 2003 to 2005 models
all the ultra wiring changed in 2006 - head unit, tsm, intercom, main harness, etc nothing from the switches to the speakers is really the same, nor do they plug in the same.
on a 05 and older the sidecar speakers are powered by a amp in the sidecar that gets its signal from taps in the rear speaker pods, also the sound etc switch in the sidecar is just mirrored off the rear pod switches - only one set at a time will work - rear and sidecar cant adjust volume at the same time for instance.
on a 07 the amp, is mounted under the tour pak and the the speaker feeds to the sidecar are seperate [three amp feeds, front, rear, sidecar]. the switch feeds for the sound system in the sidecar is seperate and included in the main harness from the head unit to under the seat - the sidecar, rear seat, rider have SEPERATE volume controls now - three full sets. any of the three can answer the cell phone via the headset or a hand held mic & any of the three can initiate a cb conversation - its much much more sophisticated than the 05 and older. mind numbingly so - but the blue tooth phone giz is just great since i ride during the day in summer from jobsite to jobsite and have to be able to answer the phone 24x7 - even if its to say "ill call back in 15 mins im in traffic"
all the sidecar mounting brackets changed in 2007 so i had to buy a entire new kit and it did not include the rollover switch, nor was installing the rollover switch mentioned in the directions packaged with the kit, nor with the cable i have plug in, while in the 2004 kit the directions include installing the rollover switch
just now the bike is in the garage, its minus 10 f outside & im waiting for my new 15" rear wheel & new liberty trees to arrive - im hoping the hd sidecar manual is out in feb so by mar 1 im ready to go -
luck
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Well, it's possible that there were changes to the 2007's with regard to the rollover switch although as you point out, no one has the manual as yet. I guess that it has to do with the rollover setup and also issue of ABS connections for sidecar use with a police FL. HD apparently hasn't figured all of that out yet.
As to the connections and cabling that you refer to for the Ultra, you are correct, that's how it works. That was more electronics than I cared to involve myself with, however, since I seldom ride with a passenger. My wife will go in the sidecar periodically but she just doesn't care for a radio in the sidecar and it was another $2K for the Ultra model in any case.
I have mine rigged so that she plugs her helmet into the bike intercomm and radio cable and we let it go at that. I also doubt that I would use a cell phone while riding. You still have to dial the thing somehow.
Good luck. When you get it figured out, let me know.
Otherwise, I got every last part with my sidecar in the crate to connect it. The paint is matched to the bike, Vivid Black, silver stripes and all, and I'm as pleased as can be with the appearance of it.
it will be interesting reading when the manual does come out, that is for certain
on the old bike i had it rigged so the intercom cable could be reached from the bike - on this bike i purchased the ultra harness and switch module & made a small dash to hold it and mounted that up with a heated suit plug and a acc plug for her ipod, game boy, laptop for her movies [imagine what folks think when they pass us at night and she is watching a movie, or doing her email... *sigh*]
the sidecar and bike match perfect - the only holdup was getting the whole new 2007 kit, that took weeks.
now what she wants next is a rag top so she doesnt have to wear her rain suit - does anybody know where to find that? she saw a pic in a mag of a HD sidecar with a rag top...
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