I have a 05 RK w/06 TLE and have been having some problems getting the alarm siren to work. W/ the siren unplugged the HD security works fine ie lights flash when you arm the system w/ the key fob. The security lamp flashes in the speedometer, shake the bike and the lamps flash. Try to start the bike with the system armed the motor starts and dies.......
If I plug in the siren everything seems to work ie chips when armed, goes off when you shake the bike as well as when you try to start it.
Disarm the system and start the bike and the motor runs fine but the siren keeps on going.
I see the HD TLE owners manual it says that the dealer should install a bank angle switch kit. The TSM/TSSM will not function properly if not switched to sidecar operation.
Also goes on to say the switch is activated by tilting and the ignition circuit in disabeled.
So would anyone know where the switch is?
TIA,
JOhn
Never liked the alarm stuff.
In my workshop truck I made my own with a programable logic unit (Siemens Logo). Its noise is 120Db but only inside, 4 m away you cannot hear it any more. But much more efective are the Diesel switch off, the gravity actuated 3/4" lock pin, the electric fence in the seat cover and the pepper gas directed to the driver....
As soon people see the control box, they step in with caution.
They not even have to know more about the other surprises.
(for example the tools in the back are way more valuable then the truck itsself.)
Anything from stock is vulnerable to profesional thieves.
Regards
Sven Peter
Originally written by jjr on 6/29/2009 4:50 AM
I have a 05 RK w/06 TLE and have been having some problems getting the alarm siren to work. W/ the siren unplugged the HD security works fine ie lights flash when you arm the system w/ the key fob. The security lamp flashes in the speedometer, shake the bike and the lamps flash. Try to start the bike with the system armed the motor starts and dies.......
If I plug in the siren everything seems to work ie chips when armed, goes off when you shake the bike as well as when you try to start it.
Disarm the system and start the bike and the motor runs fine but the siren keeps on going.
I see the HD TLE owners manual it says that the dealer should install a bank angle switch kit. The TSM/TSSM will not function properly if not switched to sidecar operation.
Also goes on to say the switch is activated by tilting and the ignition circuit in disabeled.
So would anyone know where the switch is?
TIA,
JOhn
Since you make reference to an alarm siren, I presume that you have a TSSM (Turn Signal Security Module) rather than a TSM (Turn Signal Module.) The TSSM is a black box that is just behind the battery in the area directly ahead of the rear fender under the seat.
As you may or may not know, this module controls the turn signals as well as the security system. It also has some other duties that I have forgotten but the most important other issue is that it contains the Bank Angle Sensor.
The bank angle sensor is designed to shut the engine ignition off in the event that the bike assumes an angle greater than 45 degrees left or right. That is, if it falls over as in a crash. It is a mechanical unit with a weight that swings left or right. If it should happen to be triggered as if, for example, the bike falls over at a stop with the engine running, it can be reset by turning the ignition off and back on again.
When converting to a sidecar, you can understand that a 45 degree bank angle switch won't work properly since a sidecar-equipped bike won't ever be at 45 degrees. If a sidecar has a crash, there is a greater chance of a rollover which would require a different control to shut down the engine.
To deal with this issue, HD came up with a unit called a Bank Angle Sensor Switch (P/N 88115-03.) This unit is supplied with the sidecar connectoin kit for each sidecar. Mine was in the sidecar trunk when I got my TLE in the crate from the dealer. It is this switch that, once installed, permits a Harley Technician to reset (toggle) the TSSM from Solo to Sidecar. They do this using the Digital Technician, a special laptop that is programmed with technical tests and capabilities to deal with the computerized code system used on later Harleys.
The 88115-03 fits next to the TSSM when installed and plugs in between the TSSM connectors for electrical connection. I knew you would ask that. LOL.
By the way, for this toggling the typical dealer will get a half hour of labor ($45 or so). You cannot do it yourself on a bike that is 2003 or later since it requires the Digital Technician Computer which is HD proprietary.
Another issue is, in the event that you have had your bike toggled to sidecar and decide to ride solo for a while, you will not be protected from a runaway engine in the event of a tipover. Ideally, you would toggle it each time you add or remove the sidecar. Nice, huh? The manual does mention that some solo usage with the sidecar toggle engaged would be OK. I guess they are betting you won't fall down. LOL.
Bikes from 2000 to 2003 didn't have the 88115-03 switch. They had the capability of toggling to sidecar usage using the turn signal switches in a prescribed sequence that is spelled out in the Harley sidecar Service Manual. Prior to 2000, there was no such capability.
As far as I know, the alarm siren is separate from the Bank Angle Sensor function. It sounds like your alarm unit is not working properly. I installed a siren on my 2004 Ultra TSSM at the time that I bought it. It was a plug-in and it only work
Wow,
Thank you for such a wonderfuly detailed explination on how this works. I do not think that I would ever disconnect the sidecar to use just the bike as I have a Goldwing for my solo riding.
So my next trip to the dealer I will let them have at it.
Again,
Many thanks
John
Originally written by jjr on 6/29/2009 2:11 PM
Wow,
Thank you for such a wonderfuly detailed explination on how this works. I do not think that I would ever disconnect the sidecar to use just the bike as I have a Goldwing for my solo riding.So my next trip to the dealer I will let them have at it.
Again,
Many thanks
John
You are welcome. I learned all of this material from coming up against it at one time or another. The dealers are generally not all that enthusiastic about sidecar sales. It's sort of a little secret that they even sell them. HD does build a nice sidecar, though.
Have you considered ordering the service manual and doing the changeover yourself? Actually, you could lift the the bike with a Pitbull or similar jack and lift and block the sidecar with a low floor jack and wooden blocks while removing the front end.
The procedure for changing the front fork bearings (actually the same as changing the triple trees) is outlined in the Service Manual. You can do a lot of work on your own for $550. The job is time-consuming but not really that difficult if you take your time. I put new fork bearings in a 1500 Goldwing a few years ago. It took a couple of days of spare time but I did an excellent job. It's just a thought.
As a matter of fact I ordered a sidecar service manual 1st thing this morning. I do have the Pit Bull here and asked the question about lifing the bike with it and was told it was not a good idea.
As of now the garage is packed so I probably would have to have the dealer do it also I plan to update the front springs with Progressive ones while its apart.
The bike only has a hair under 3500 miles on it and the car probably about 2K so its all pretty new so I will probably put it all off till the end of the season.
John
Would it be possible to tell me where the switch was located in your trunk? Any photos possible? I was looking around in there and did not see anything?
Also could I do the install myself and then have the dealer turn it on to save a few $$? Would it require that I drill a hole in the car?
TIA,
John
Originally written by jjr on 7/1/2009 4:35 AM
Would it be possible to tell me where the switch was located in your trunk? Any photos possible? I was looking around in there and did not see anything?
Also could I do the install myself and then have the dealer turn it on to save a few $$? Would it require that I drill a hole in the car?
TIA,
John
Sure. When I said that the add-on switch nit was in the trunk, I was referring to the conditions when I received my sidecar in the crate. I ordered it and picked it up at the dealer since I was going to install it myself, which I did. In the crate was the sidecar, sidecar wheel, sidecar fender and the connection kit with all of the sidecar mounts. The Bank Angle Rollover Switch P/N 88115093, which is mentioned above and which converts the TSSM Bank Angle Sensor so that it operates as a Rollover Protection Switch, was in a loose plastic bag, loose inside the trunk.
As mentioned, it fits in with the TSSM behind the battery and is a plug-in unit. There are no holes to drill. This installation procedure is described and illustrated in the HD Sidecar Manual, P/N 99485-06 (my copy, newer ones are 99485-09). The toggle work has to be done by the dealer.
You didn't say how you obtained the sidecar but if you bought the sidecar new and had it installed by the dealer, they should have installed the unit next to the TSSM and toggled it to sidecar condition for you. It's impossible to tell if this has been done without the Digital Technician unit. I would suspect that it's already been done if the dealer did the installation since it's part of the process and, again, there could be liability in the event that there were to be a wreck and the engine failed to shut down. (could cause a fire or additional injury in the event of a turnover where the engine fails to shut down)
Since the dealer wanted $900 to install the sidecar, that that was a non-starter for me after paying $7,350 for the crated sidecar itself. Also, there are parts that are removed such as the OEM brake lever, the brake master cylinder reservoir (the original hits the front sidecar mount so it's replaced with a plain cover that connects remotely to a separate reservoir in the center of the frame downtubes. It's an FXR part number, actually.) The OEM clutch cable is also replaced with one that's approximately 6" longer since the lower sidecar mounts are in the way and the new cable must be routed under the crankcase of the engine. I wanted to retain all of those parts. Often the dealers will keep them and sell them on eBay later....Some folks don't want their old parts but I do. LOL.
So, the thing to do is to get the sidecar book and remove the seat and see if the unit is there. You could then ask the dealer if they did the computer setup when they installed the sidecar and , if not, have them do it (free) since it was supposed to be done at the time of the installation. I had to take my machine to the dealer and pay them $45 for the toggle job.
Happy Trails!
Thanks again,
Yes the sidecar was installed by the dealer new, I'm the second owner and have all the documentation. I will call the dealer later today to see if it was installed I imagine that it was. The module you speak of is located under the riders seat on the bike correct?
John
Originally written by jjr on 7/1/2009 7:20 AM
Thanks again,
Yes the sidecar was installed by the dealer new, I'm the second owner and have all the documentation. I will call the dealer later today to see if it was installed I imagine that it was. The module you speak of is located under the riders seat on the bike correct?John
That's right. I'll see if I can come up wioth a picture of it. Basically it's a cable with two connectors and a small unit in the middle.
Please do not bother as now I know where it is and I have a solo seat on the bike so I can pop it off easily. I will do a look and see if there are any PN# on it.
Again, cant thank you enough............
John
Originally written by jjr on 7/1/2009 8:16 AM
Please do not bother as now I know where it is and I have a solo seat on the bike so I can pop it off easily. I will do a look and see if there are any PN# on it.
Again, cant thank you enough............
John
Too late, I already found an old picture. It's grainy since I shot it out of my manual but you get the idea.
Ok please post when you have a chance.
Here is what I had, photo of the security module and I believe the tiny black box is the tilt switch as it rattles when you shake it.
John
