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(@Hack__n)
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Your sidecar appears to be sitting fairly level. If the frame is level the wheel should also be level. Some of these light sidecars have had warped (twisted) swing-arms and bent (15mm) axles as a result of being mounted on bikes that were over twice the weight of the lightweight 350-500 Jawas they were designed for. Another problem I've found is that the shock towers on some of the 560s are not set at 90 degrees to the sidecar frame which also affects the axle position. Your wheel camber could be the result of one or more of these conditions.
If using removable ballast it should be soft so it will not damage the fiberglass body if it shifts. Place it in the trunk area, not in front. 25#Shot bags are nice but pricey. Sand is cheap.
Frame mounted ballast should be bolted or welded to the frame preferably to the rear and outboard. The farther outboard, the less weight is needed.
Jawa-Velorex has recommended up to 100# ballast (in the past) for non passenger use.

Lonnie


 
Posted : June 13, 2012 4:33 am
(@gilberth)
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On my rig I try to do lean in/lean out measurements with a helper and me sitting on the bike.
Helps to get a more accurate picture.
Check to make sure that the axle is not bent.
Road test it.
For ballast I have a steel plate welding inside the frame. If I'm not carrying a small passenger I usually carry a 50 pound sandbag.
I also have lowered the rig about 3 & 1/2" which adds to the looks also well as improving the cornering.
'74 Moto Guzzi Eldorado w/ Jawa/velorex 560 s/c


 
Posted : June 13, 2012 5:04 am
(@mittelme)
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Thanks to Hack'n and gilberth
it look that the shock tower is 90 degrees to the frame and also the 15mm axles look ok on the frame maybe i need to take it out from the tower assemblye and test it.
what is the way to get the 15mm axles from the structure?

regard
eli


 
Posted : June 13, 2012 7:48 pm
(@gilberth)
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Eli,
Not sure why you want to take the suspension assembly off the sidecar to 'test' the axle.
If you do take want to remove the assembly from the frame it's not hard to do so as there are 4 bolts holding it on.
Be sure when you replace the bolts and nuts with hardened steel, grade 8.
Howard
Napa, CA


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 5:11 am
(@Hack__n)
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The axles are press fit. Some are quite loose, some aren't. I've only had one that wouldn't come out using a brass drift to protect the threads (axle nut in place reversed).
Metric replacement for the bolts would be grade 88.8 or 10.5.

I have a couple of good axles in stock here.

Lonnie
Northwest Sidecars


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 5:49 am
(@gilberth)
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Lonnie,
What size (diameter) axles do you have that would fit my 560 s/c ?
Howard


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 6:32 am
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The only size that fits is the OEM one. 15mm


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 7:20 am
(@mittelme)
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thanks Howard and Lonnie for the help, it look that the shock tower was not 90

degrees to the sidecar frame and in result it and up with wheel camber.

I add 2 washer in the outboard side of the shock tower (~2mm) new 10mm bolts with hardened steel.

now the wheel is 90 degrees to the sidecar frame:)

adjust the SC to the bike with ~35Kg in the SC, rod test and it look and steer very good.

regard

eli m

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Posted : June 14, 2012 12:31 pm
(@gilberth)
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Looks good. Enjoy your rides.

Howard


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 2:09 pm
(@mittelme)
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is anyone use the verolex 560 SC brake? is it recommended?

regard
eli m


 
Posted : June 14, 2012 8:32 pm
(@gilberth)
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I recently put a second disk on the front of my Guzzi. It stops pretty quickly so no reason to hook up the sidecar brake on my 560.
Howard


 
Posted : June 15, 2012 4:52 am
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It wouldn't improve stopping much, if at all in my opinion with triple brakes.

Lonnie


 
Posted : June 15, 2012 5:26 am
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