BMW == Bavarian Money Waster
... not really.
HD == Hunnerd Dollars
... Every time you go into a Harley shop, you're going to spend $100.
Originally written by Hober on 10/25/2006 1:05 PM
BMW == Bavarian Money Waster
I lean toward "Built Mainly Weird"! Heck, walk into any dealership for anything. Nearby Honda dealer has a big sign in their service department "LABOR $45" and in tiny print "Per half hour". My local BMW dealer is $60/hr!
My nemesis is Harbor Freight. I walk in there needing a $2 item and walk out $35 poorer every time!
Sarge
BMW parts may be pricy, but they're still supplying them for bikes made 2 and 3 decades ago. At the HOG(NYSE) dealership about all you'll get for your $100 is a few T-shirts and such. The parts department only stocks chrome and Screeching Eagle boy racer stuff- I've had to wait weeks for common replacement parts used in current production HOG(NYSE) products.
FOR THE LAST TIME! THE ROUNDEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PROPELLER! TOM FARLEY
Originally written by TOM FARLEY on 10/29/2006 6:19 PM
FOR THE LAST TIME! THE ROUNDEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PROPELLER! TOM FARLEY
So Tom, can you quote or refer us to any sources that offer supporting evidence for your rather adamant assertation?
There are quite a few sources including some early BMW artwork showing an airplane in a very subtle & stylized roundel that supports the aeromotor beginnings theory.
http://www.w6rec.com/duane/bmw/emblem/index.htm
I have always read and heard the spinning propeller with the colors signifying the Bavarian crest/coat being the inspiration/reference for the the roundel...
But then again... I wasn't there at the time....
There have been many refernces to this urban legend in various BMW enthusiast magazines. BMW even has a corprate entity for the history of the company that has stated the Roundel does not depict a planes propeler. If memory serves me corectly I believe it was stated that the blue and white roundel depicts an engineering symbol no longer used but that was used during that period in Germany. More info is available at various BMW web sites. I am sorry if I offended any one with the correction. Thanks, Tom
Gosh Tom, I've been looking around the net for information about the BMW emblem origin and all the sites I found say it's a representation of a spinning propeller. Can you provide a link to a source that says otherwise? I can't find it.
Dave
Originally written by SideCarOne on 10/29/2006 8:59 AM
BMW parts may be pricy, but they're still supplying them for bikes made 2 and 3 decades ago. At the HOG(NYSE) dealership about all you'll get for your $100 is a few T-shirts and such. The parts department only stocks chrome and Screeching Eagle boy racer stuff- I've had to wait weeks for common replacement parts used in current production HOG(NYSE) products.
There are lots of parts available at the BMW dealers because no one can afford new parts. They are nice quality, just out of most people's price range.
As to your inability to get Harley parts without waiting, perhaps you should ask for Harley-Davidson parts instead of HOG (NYSE) Ya think? Hahahahahahaha! ROLTFLMAO!
Originally written by gnm109 on 10/31/2006 7:55 AM
There are lots of parts available at the BMW dealers because no one can afford new parts. They are nice quality, just out of most people's price range.
As to your inability to get Harley parts without waiting, perhaps you should ask for Harley-Davidson parts instead of HOG (NYSE) Ya think? Hahahahahahaha! ROLTFLMAO!
I don't own either of these brands and have no recent experience, but about a week ago I ran into a friend riding a new Ultra. I expressed some surprise, as he had spent a great deal on custom painting on his old one last winter. It was a 100th Anniversary Ultra. He said he was sick of the dealer referring to it as "That old stuff" every time he had to order parts.
Despite the prices, BMWAG has found plenty of demand for parts for models that have been out of production for decades. In fact, the demand is so strong that they've had to reproduce some old parts that they've run out of. BMW even sent a couple people from their parts operation in Germany to the BMWMOA rally to ask riders how they could be more helpful.
HOG and there dealers have forgotten their customers- in fact when parts are in short supply the assembly line has priority so HOG can make bigger profits on new bike sales rather than take care of their current customers. And yes, I know which HOG brand (Armstrong, Briggs & Stratton, Buell, Harley Davidson, Kohler) to ask for when parts shopping. In fact, HOG's inability to supply parts has forced me to learn what non HOG parts interchange!
Originally written by SideCarOne on 10/31/2006 12:14 PM
Despite the prices, BMWAG has found plenty of demand for parts for models that have been out of production for decades. In fact, the demand is so strong that they've had to reproduce some old parts that they've run out of. BMW even sent a couple people from their parts operation in Germany to the BMWMOA rally to ask riders how they could be more helpful.
HOG and there dealers have forgotten their customers- in fact when parts are in short supply the assembly line has priority so HOG can make bigger profits on new bike sales rather than take care of their current customers. And yes, I know which HOG brand (Armstrong, Briggs & Stratton, Buell, Harley Davidson, Kohler) to ask for when parts shopping. In fact, HOG's inability to supply parts has forced me to learn what non HOG parts interchange!
I can assure you that what Harley-Davidson parts you might need are available. I think you should sell your bike if in fact you do have a Harley. It's obviously causing you some unhappiness.
I sure like the one I have.
Yes, HOG(NYSE) parts are available, but usually not at a HOG dealer. I was able to get a replacement clutch cable on a holiday from Dennis Kirk that was of better quality than the one the HOG dealer was out of. I've also found multiple HOG dealers out of common parts that any dealer should stock like starters and alternator stators for current model bikes. These parts can easily be found in the aftermarket, but if your HOG is still under warranty the repair cost will not be covered.
As for selling my HOG, that would be quitting and surrendering to HOG's policy of profits first and taking care of customers later. HOG has already paid more than the price of the extended warranty on repairs and with over 40,000 miles on the HOG it's starting to get ugly- a HOG's design life is only 30,000 miles. There's 2 years left on the extended warranty and HOG will be force to honor their committments.
And unlike most HOG customers, I don't dump a bike any time I'm "unhappy" with it. I pay cash for them (easy when you don't buy a new one every time your "unhappy") and keep and ride them at least 10 years.
Originally written by SideCarOne on 11/1/2006 6:10 AM
Yes, HOG(NYSE) parts are available, but usually not at a HOG dealer. I was able to get a replacement clutch cable on a holiday from Dennis Kirk that was of better quality than the one the HOG dealer was out of. I've also found multiple HOG dealers out of common parts that any dealer should stock like starters and alternator stators for current model bikes. These parts can easily be found in the aftermarket, but if your HOG is still under warranty the repair cost will not be covered.
As for selling my HOG, that would be quitting and surrendering to HOG's policy of profits first and taking care of customers later. HOG has already paid more than the price of the extended warranty on repairs and with over 40,000 miles on the HOG it's starting to get ugly- a HOG's design life is only 30,000 miles. There's 2 years left on the extended warranty and HOG will be force to honor their committments.
And unlike most HOG customers, I don't dump a bike any time I'm "unhappy" with it. I pay cash for them (easy when you don't buy a new one every time your "unhappy") and keep and ride them at least 10 years.
Your post makes no sense.
1. If you have that much trouble with it, you should agree that it's a lemon and you really should sell it.
2. So, it was quicker to order a replacement clutch cable from Dennis Kirk by UPS ground on a holiday (5-8 days) than to order it from the Harley dealer (5-8 days)?
3. You keep your hated Harley because that "would be surrendering to HOG's (sic) policy of profits first and taking care of customers later". So they should take care of you before you purchase a machine from them?
4. You're just wrong about Harley' design mileage being only 30,000 miles. I got more than that out of a 1946 Knucklehead when I was a kid. I know many who trade them at 100,000 miiles due to wear and tear on seats and paint. Bikes are still running well. This makes no sense whatsoever. Check your facts. No one but you thinks this.
5. In an earlier post you told us that you have 100,000 miles on a Harley with sidecar. Now it's 40,000. Keep your facts straight...or was that more than one motorcycle....and you bought another one even considering the way that you feel about them? It's getting pretty deep.
Keeping a motorcycle to punish the maker is just silly. Your so-called "facts" make no sense to me or anyone else. I don't get it.
Originally written by gnm109 on 11/1/2006 8:40 AM
Originally written by SideCarOne on 11/1/2006 6:10 AM
Yes, HOG(NYSE) parts are available, but usually not at a HOG dealer. I was able to get a replacement clutch cable on a holiday from Dennis Kirk that was of better quality than the one the HOG dealer was out of. I've also found multiple HOG dealers out of common parts that any dealer should stock like starters and alternator stators for current model bikes. These parts can easily be found in the aftermarket, but if your HOG is still under warranty the repair cost will not be covered.
As for selling my HOG, that would be quitting and surrendering to HOG's policy of profits first and taking care of customers later. HOG has already paid more than the price of the extended warranty on repairs and with over 40,000 miles on the HOG it's starting to get ugly- a HOG's design life is only 30,000 miles. There's 2 years left on the extended warranty and HOG will be force to honor their committments.
And unlike most HOG customers, I don't dump a bike any time I'm "unhappy" with it. I pay cash for them (easy when you don't buy a new one every time your "unhappy") and keep and ride them at least 10 years.
Your post makes no sense.
1. If you have that much trouble with it, you should agree that it's a lemon and you really should sell it.
2. So, it was quicker to order a replacement clutch cable from Dennis Kirk by UPS ground on a holiday (5-8 days) than to order it from the Harley dealer (5-8 days)?
3. You keep your hated Harley because that "would be surrendering to HOG's (sic) policy of profits first and taking care of customers later". So they should take care of you before you purchase a machine from them?
4. You're just wrong about Harley' design mileage being only 30,000 miles. I got more than that out of a 1946 Knucklehead when I was a kid. I know many who trade them at 100,000 miiles due to wear and tear on seats and paint. Bikes are still running well. This makes no sense whatsoever. Check your facts. No one but you thinks this.
5. In an earlier post you told us that you have 100,000 miles on a Harley with sidecar. Now it's 40,000. Keep your facts straight...or was that more than one motorcycle....and you bought another one even considering the way that you feel about them? It's getting pretty deep.Keeping a motorcycle to punish the maker is just silly. Your so-called "facts" make no sense to me or anyone else. I don't get it.
Once again someone is turning this into another "I love my Harley and everyone else must too!" thread. How about everyone sticking to the original topic.
I agree. That's the last I'll try to say anything to straighten out the mis-information. Let the good times roll.
