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USCA politics

From the Yahoo Sidecar LIST, comments, this thread started by myself, and some replies.
I've tried to assemble this into some sort of meaningful order.
I certainly would like some answers. The only editing I have done is to remove identification of responders.
snowbum (Robert Fleischer USCA 6504)

> Snowbum wrote:
> Re: Sidecarist March-April
>
> I got around to reading the rest of the above, today. I am NOT a 'happy
> camper' at the moment.
> There was a letter and information printed in the above issue of
> Sidecarist.
> I am somewhat disturbed by it.
> OK, truth is, I am PLENTY disturbed by it.
>
> As many of you know, Jay Giese (who, with wife Tara, run Dauntless
> Motors in
> Covington, Washington, and Jay often posts to this LIST) is the
> Western
> Director of USCA. That means he covers 13 States. I don't have to get
> into Jay's contributions and business, here on this LIST.
>
> PER SIDECARIST.....a petition was brought to the USCA Board of
> Directors, by
> one Larry Allen, a USCA Member. That petition also contained 30
> verified
> member's signatures. The Petition is to ask the BOD to REMOVE Jay
> from the
> BOD, citing the reason that he is in the Sidecar manufacturing
> industry, and
> that constitutes a conflict of interest.
>
> The letter and commentary, undersigned by Colby M. Cousineau, as VP
> of USCA,
> states that BOD has no standing in the USCA Constitution and bylaws,
> to
> remove a Board Member. So and thusly!!>>>> Colby brought a motion at
> the
> December meeting of the Board, that the Board ask Jay to resign. Who
> voted
> and how....is in The Sidecarist, and ended up as 3 to 3, with
> President John
> Kennedy casting the deciding vote FOR the Motion. The BOD can't force
> Jay to resign. The Board apparently, at that time of printing, was
> awaiting
> a response from Jay, to the Board, and to Allen.
>
>
> I have seen a lot of wrangling, for a long time, never ever have
> understood what was going on, that, above, seems like the latest, in friction between folks in the USCA, and others.
>
> Could someone, perhaps, explain what the past history is, just what
> is going
> on with USCA??
>
> Frankly, I am RE-thinking my plans to drive the rig to the USCA
> National in
> Stevenson, and my Membership. I want definitive answers and reasons
> why I
> should go...it is a huge trip for me, besides seeing a whole bunch
> of the
> folks I've 'met' on this LIST.
>
> Really interesting here....JAY is the one who is collecting the
> money/reservations/etc.....for the USCA National....and other things
> he is
> doing. The USCA BOD apparently has asked the guy who is doing a ton
> of
> work for the USCA to get lost.
> Can anyone explain all this to my old brain?
>

Some replies:
> Snowbum,
> Sidecar.com is THE site of the USCA. That same info that was in The
> Sidecarist was posted there on 1/30/2005.
> I would suggest that it may be best to ask that question at that
> site as well and/or write a letter to the board.

So..Bum...Go to the rally you will enjoy yourself and others will
> > enjoy you being there. Don't sell youself short by not going and
> > remember if you don't go because of hard feeling towards the board
> > you are only hurting yourself and the others who may feel the same
> > way. I only wish I could make it myself.
> > xxxxx , who hates politics!
> >
> >
> >
Snowbum replied:
> xxxx, and fellow LISTers:::
> The friction has been going on a LONG time. I don't understand where
it
> comes from. I have not been a street sidecarist nearly as long as most of
> you old-timers.
> As near as I remember, Colby's been at the forefront of some of it. I
> could mention a couple of other names, won't, at this point.
>
> MY personal problem, and it IS MY PERSONAL PROBLEM........ is that I do
NOT
> like supporting an organization (USCA gets income from this Rally, and
the
> Rally supports the organization one way or the other;...YES? NO?),
> especially one I am a Member of, if the folks r

Robert (Snowbum) Fleischer, Lake Tahoe, California, USA http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/emailimage.htm http://bmwmotorcycletech.info http://airheads.org ABC 1843; MOA Life 17058; AMA Charter Life 73254; USCA 6504….. ‹(•¿•)›

Mike, I have tried all sorts of ways, and unless I don't know the system adequately, can not find that there was a message in your posted reply.I am at snowbum@jps.net if that is any help.snowbum

Robert (Snowbum) Fleischer, Lake Tahoe, California, USA http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/emailimage.htm http://bmwmotorcycletech.info http://airheads.org ABC 1843; MOA Life 17058; AMA Charter Life 73254; USCA 6504….. ‹(•¿•)›

Snowbum
I will try to answer your Questions. First, let me state that I don't put much stock in any post that does not have the persons name who authored it, or from people who want to complain, but do not want to help fix the problem.
As to the political strife you mentioned, let me give you some back ground on the Board of directors. This club is about 27 years old, and the first ever election that was held for any office that had two viable candidates for the same office was in 2003 when John Kennedy and I both ran for President. In 2004 we had just one contested race out of four positions open. This year have contested races for all four positions that are open. To me that shows that we, the Board, are doing something right, there is finally some interest in how the club is run.
As to me being in the middle of most of the strife, you are correct. My campaign statement said that I was not and would not concern myself with political correctness. I also stated that I would insist that the Board members follow the Constitution and Bylaws to the letter. Is that a pain in the butt to do? Most certainly. As a legally chartered Corp. in the state of Illinois, we as board members have to follow the guidelines of the Corp. and the rules of the club. As I am sure you know, most people (including myself) don't like rules or following them. This organization went from one Board meeting a year for 20 some years to going on the internet and having official Board meetings conducted as laid out in the Constitution and Bylaws. Are there personal conflicts among the board meetings? You bet your bippie! With 8 people from coast to coast, all volunteers mind you, in my estimation it would be a miracle is there weren’t. I would hope that each Board member could put principals before personalities, but it does not happen. I believe that is why large corporations elect a CEO and the CEO then appoints the Board members, so every one is pulling in the same direction. Do ego's get in the way? Of course they do, we have real people on this board who think their opinion is the best one and they have their feelings hurt when their opinions are not upheld. At one time or another, every member of the Board have made mistakes that should not have happened, from me having a misunderstanding about rally finances when I chaired the National rally in 03, to Joyce stating to the board that her rally would have insurance, then two days before the event, stating she decided to take the risk of no insurance. Were we both wrong, you bet, but we are learning as we go.
The USCA is set up for the members to enjoy and have fun, how ever, the Board of Directors have a business to run, and that is not always fun.
I n the last year, we have gained 200 new members and are very stable financially. Believe me that is progress.
Should we the Board air our dirty laundry here on sidecar.com? The consensus of the Board is no, how ever from time to time there are those among us who choose to do so thinking the is some political gain to be had. If a majority of the members would like to see them, I will post them here. The elections to date have been conducted with no name-calling and mud slinging, and if this up coming election is handled in the same way I will be happy. How ever if it is not handled that way, I personally will post every post from Racedis (the internet site where the Board conducts business) and I am sure people will be amazed at the conduct of the Board members, Past and Present.
As to the petition asking Jay to resign, the Board did take it under advisement and did not come to any conclusions. I then Contacted Larry Allen and asked how he wished to proceed. He asked that I call for Jay’s resignation, which I brought before the Board and posted the Results. That is my job as a board member. Am I a fan of Jays? No I am not, it is a personal matter between he and I and has yet to be resolved. Have I tried to keep it from affecting Board Business, Yes I have and I believe Jay has also.
I hope I have answered your question, and if not, we can try a

Colby, thank you for responding, and for letting me know your side of this.btw....if you were questioning MY name, it is in my header, but apparently not picked up by your forum program. It is Robert Fleischer, of South Lake Tahoe, CA.Bob

Robert (Snowbum) Fleischer, Lake Tahoe, California, USA http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/emailimage.htm http://bmwmotorcycletech.info http://airheads.org ABC 1843; MOA Life 17058; AMA Charter Life 73254; USCA 6504….. ‹(•¿•)›

What I think he's saying is this.

It's inappropriate to copy other folks posts & post them HERE. (or anywhere the author didn't post them themselves)

Whether or not that's what he's saying, I personally do not think it's appropriate. However, If you have a question, providing a link to the posts in question IS approptiate. Then they can be read in the context where they were written.

You can ask any questions here you want. But swapping other peoples posts from another forum is... well, It just isn't right IMHO.

I don't know if you speak for Colby, or not, I assume you are trying to be nice and interpret what Colby meant. I removed the names of the responders to the Yahoo Groups SCT LIST for several reasons:1. It is NOT immoral to quote them, as it is a PUBLIC LIST, and was NOT a private privileged communication. There was plenty more of it, actually.2. I have no intention of being the Agent for USCA folks to come down on those folks in any which way.3. MY name was very clearly stated, my number, where I'm from, and my profile includes such and more information.4. I am still receiving feedback from the SCT LIST folks, including a lot of past history about how USCA came into being, the initial officers, etc....all of which I find interesting, and none of which have anything to do with the BOD actions which prompted my initial inquiry.

Robert (Snowbum) Fleischer, Lake Tahoe, California, USA http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/emailimage.htm http://bmwmotorcycletech.info http://airheads.org ABC 1843; MOA Life 17058; AMA Charter Life 73254; USCA 6504….. ‹(•¿•)›

I have to agree with you Robert. As you've said before, we've had other industry people hold office and positions of influence within the organization, as we have other professionals posting here. Am I to assume that we will next forbid them from posting here. Perhaps if people would let the members know what's going on the rumours and innuendos would quit. It would also better inform the potential members as to just what kind of a group this is. Now it always seems to be some sort of bickering with John and Colby against the world. I know that's not accurate, but that's exactly the way the responses from them always seem to sound. Mike Laubenstein. And no, I'm not a member any more, but I may become one again when someone can convince me that the organization is once again run by the membership and by more than two people.

Thanks for the input, Mike. I am REALLY trying to keep an open mind on all this, as I've gotten all sorts of stories, and it is not easy, sometimes, figuring out what really happened at any one situation. For some, just the idea of being ASKED what happened, is taken as an accusation. Besides that...even supposedly uninterested observers may well have differing ideas over what has happened at any one incident. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable!! The Airheads Club went through some rough times a bit over 3 years ago, and I well remember all the problems with various dissidents and with assorted stubborn mind-sets. Having been in a few positions of high responsibility (especially the 'buck stops here' type) in my life, I am aware how easy it is to take sides, when one should not. That does not mean, necessarily, that one should simply stand back and observe, and never get involved. Sometimes taking a stand, a side, is needed. I am also aware that being a moderator and having a level head, is a needed quality. I really want to be as fair as possible, in what I think, and in what I say...and, in what I do. AND, of course, any Club Officer, as such, is always wide-open for criticism! Sometimes criticism comes from those who are unwilling to put forth the needed effort to attempt to right or change something; and sometimes, however, such criticism is well-founded, and effort to correct things might have been made. Ultimately, as in all things in life, I must judge for myself.Bob, aka snowbum

Robert (Snowbum) Fleischer, Lake Tahoe, California, USA http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/emailimage.htm http://bmwmotorcycletech.info http://airheads.org ABC 1843; MOA Life 17058; AMA Charter Life 73254; USCA 6504….. ‹(•¿•)›

Just for the record it was I who posted the comments included below..also..snowbum and others: If anyone wants to copy my posts from SCT to here they are more than welcome to do so and put my name on them..No biggie.
Claude
Founder: Internet Sidecar Owners Klub at SCT
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCT/

>>>> Snowbum,
Sidecar.com is THE site of the USCA. That same info that was in The
Sidecarist was posted there on 1/30/2005.
I would suggest that it may be best to ask that question at that
site as well and/or write a letter to the board.

So..Bum...Go to the rally you will enjoy yourself and others will
enjoy you being there. Don't sell youself short by not going and
remember if you don't go because of hard feeling towards the board
you are only hurting yourself and the others who may feel the same
way. I only wish I could make it myself.
xxxxx , who hates politics!<<<
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