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safer whole sale, and now RT

Quote from CCjon on March 6, 2020, 8:59 am

Jay, thank you for keeping us up to date with the "Safe whole sale" evolving identities.

It's about time all the various sidecar manufacturer's, safety councils and USCA work together to promote sidecar safety. It hurts the image and reputation of all of us every time the unknowing public buys a poorly built or mis-matched rig.

+1 not to mention the real concern that someone could be seriously injured or worse due to this bad business practice

 

97 1500 SE Motorvation II sidecar USCA # 8913 Double Dark Side # 1522 Goodyear Fuel max 175/60 R16 PILOT ACTIV 130/70 18

Back in the late 1990's we did start up a sidecar industry council, the idea was to set standards and police the industry. I had only started my company on paper at that point as we had no products at all and were still working on importing our first container load of Sputnik sidecars from Russia. I was elected secretary / treasurer. The person elected president (now dead)  had different ideas as to what the council should be. He was using council funds to promote a sidecar gathering he held yearly. When I refused to pay the bills for "his" event he sent a letter out to everyone saying that he relived me of the position then stole all of the SIC funds. As no one knew who I was at the time he got away with it and for years companies were paying dues to the SIC and the only thing being done with these moneys was to line his pocket promoting his event. The other thing he did which I was opposed to was he wanted to make it such that any time an "expert" witness was needed due to law suite's was to have an SIC person be the expert so that we could "all band together" At the time he was proud that he had been sued some thing like 5 times and never lost. (you have to have assets to not have a law suit simply dropped) That was pretty much the demise of the SIC. In the end this is such a small industry and no one is getting rich as such not much extra money for some thing like the SIC. What I would really like to see is government regulations, this would eliminate most of the safety issues from these importers as well as several of the smaller companies building here in the USA where safety is "third"   I have seen some really scary stuff even from made in the USA companies. One company attaches their sidecars with 4 solid bars that they heat and bend to fit the sidecar leaving no possible way to ever adjust anything. Then these bars are attached to welded on tabs on the motorcycle. We had some one drive from several states away (while dress as "batman") to have us fix one of these sidecars as it had a constant pull due to one of the welded on tabs bending. The repair to do right would have cost more then he paid for the sidecar as there was little that was up to any modern manufacturing standard and I refused to "patch" up a fundamentally flawed sidecar as we do have a safety first policy, and yet this company is building sidecars to this day.

In the end BUYER BEWARE if some thing is far less money then it is from other companies, there usually is a reason why.

Jay G
DMC sidecars

866-638-1793

http://www.dmcsidecars.com

Jay G DMC sidecars www.dmcsidecars.com 15616 Carbonado South Prairie RD Buckley WA 98321 866-638-1793 Hours Monday - Thursday 6-4:30

Today I had some one I had been working with on figuring out the best way to meet his financial needs tell me that he no longer needs anything but the mounting hardware as he got a great deal on one of these sidecars. I declined the sale even though we had everything that would be needed in stock. His bike, a 2018 Indian Chief. Safety must come first. This is another case where some one could not afford to do it right, will end up spending more money then had they waited until they could afford to do it right.

Jay G
DMC sidecars

http://www.dmcsidecars.com

866-638-1793

Jay G DMC sidecars www.dmcsidecars.com 15616 Carbonado South Prairie RD Buckley WA 98321 866-638-1793 Hours Monday - Thursday 6-4:30

With some people it is like Walt Kelly's Pogo when he said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Jay, do you still have any guidelines for sidecar industry safety materials. I would like to see USCA form an Industry Council under its banner. As you said, we are such a small niche market, it only makes sense to band together to support each other, manufacturers, dealers, vendors and owners.

I spoke with Kent at Texas Sidecars about this topic last weekend. We need to work out the format and premise before presenting it to the USCA Board for discussion. 

Anything you can contribute to the idea would be appreciated. Please contact me direct:  roving96535@mypacks.net

Jan Daub aka CCjon

USCA VP

2021 Rallymaster

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Just had some one contacting us for "up graded" mounts to put a "Red Wolf"  sidecar on his FLH. Safety third! Price first. Of course we would not help him other then to recommend a stronger better built sidecar. Another person with limited means that is now worse off then they would have been had then done their home work.

Jay G
DMC sidecars

http://www.dmcsidecars.com/sidecars

 

Jay G DMC sidecars www.dmcsidecars.com 15616 Carbonado South Prairie RD Buckley WA 98321 866-638-1793 Hours Monday - Thursday 6-4:30

Jay, Happy New Years to you and the whole crew at DMC. Thank you for trying to keep all sidecar owners safe.

Am not sure there is a way to warn the "jump first, look later" people. Though I have to admit to committing the same error on occasion on different matters. Your patience with them will pay off in the long run if they decide to stay with sidecars. 

 

 

Only this to say.  Years ago I bought a used sidecar and brought it home.  After much work and cost I had it mounted to my tug and wife and I took off on a trip.  About 120 miles later I pulled into a gas station and had only one wheel brake.  I called DMC and Jay had me drive the 300 or so miles to his place for repairs.  He even found out there were a few other minor issues which he corrected.  We then left on an extended and great trip.

This year when I wanted a new rig and simply called DMC and went to Washington to review what was available.  I ordered a rig from DMC and when I brought it home and mounted it to my Harley I can only say "Thanks Jay".  Putting miles on it now.

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I just had forwarded to me an email from Mathew at Saferwhole sale asking another importer of sidecars from India for PDF files as to how to install a Rocket sidecar. Really asking a competitor how to install the sidecar that they import and sell! At least it would appear that they area at least trying to help some one. BUT why would then not simply go to their supplier for this? And of course, why would they not already have it.

Jay G
DMC sidecars

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Jay G DMC sidecars www.dmcsidecars.com 15616 Carbonado South Prairie RD Buckley WA 98321 866-638-1793 Hours Monday - Thursday 6-4:30

I first bought an Inder from Safer wholesale and then found out what they were doing. Shortly after that I found thatyt one of my friends had a brand new Ural which was too heavy for his old Bmw 500 so he had gone to a fiberglass rig. and the ural had never been attached. I got it off him for a very very good price and that is what I have now. Any how one day a truck rolls up with the Ural looking Inder and surprise surprise it was all there when I inventoried the crate. So I looked at the construction of the frame and being a lifer welder as well as a Certified Welding Inspector  I was surprised to find that the actual construction of the car frame was really not too shabby unless you were going to carry a heavy load. The mounting stuff is not well designed and I believe that each model of motorcycle has a unique requirement to be able to manage a sidecar, so apart from the wheel bearings I think that the car if correctly mounted should be OK. Its not a Ural by any means or in the same class as the reputable US made sidecars but on a lighter bike I do not see any reason not to use it, after a good inspection and correction of anything that is doubtful like the bearings. I have a friend who has a  Safe Wholesale Rocketeer that he wants to put on an old shovel to haul stuff like groceries etc so I will be working with him to make it happen As to the Ural knock off I have its for sale at $2200 fob your shipper Greenville SC

 I have no doubt that there are an awful lot of Inders running around that have been sold under a lot of names over the years by various importers and simply rebadged. Not everybody is as fortunate as we are, so they do the best they can with what they have been able to afford.

                                                                                           Chuck