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Quote from ccridr on July 5, 2005, 11:27 pmJoyce
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This is a revote to accept the offer from Hal Kendall to supply cd's of his safety manual.What I have learned.
1. After you type yes or no in the option box , put a number or your name . If you just type yes or no your vote will not have your name by it, unless you are the first to use that option.2. You can only vote once.
[Edited by Joyce on 7/5/2005 11:36 AM]
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I hope this is just being floated as an opinion poll, because this vote has no validity unless it is taken in a properly called Board of Directors meeting. Prior to John Kennedy’s administration, there was not an official board for the preceding 12 months. As a legally incorporated corporation of the state of Illinois, we are legally bound to conduct business as directed in the USCA Constitution and bylaws. If there are any thoughts of doing otherwise, I will tell you now that I will file a protest with the corporate dept. of the state of Illinois.
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This is a revote to accept the offer from Hal Kendall to supply cd's of his safety manual.
What I have learned.
1. After you type yes or no in the option box , put a number or your name . If you just type yes or no your vote will not have your name by it, unless you are the first to use that option.
2. You can only vote once.
[Edited by Joyce on 7/5/2005 11:36 AM]
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I hope this is just being floated as an opinion poll, because this vote has no validity unless it is taken in a properly called Board of Directors meeting. Prior to John Kennedy’s administration, there was not an official board for the preceding 12 months. As a legally incorporated corporation of the state of Illinois, we are legally bound to conduct business as directed in the USCA Constitution and bylaws. If there are any thoughts of doing otherwise, I will tell you now that I will file a protest with the corporate dept. of the state of Illinois.
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Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 5:25 amAccording to Roberts Rules Part II Section 70
"The meetings of different societies vary greatly, and they should be managed differently in order to obtain the best results. Some societies require a strict enforcement of parliamentary rules, while with others the best results will be obtained by being informal. It is important that the presiding officer have tact and common sense, especially with a very intelligent assembly."
We will be meeting in this format. You may participate or not as you choose.
According to Roberts Rules Part II Section 70
"The meetings of different societies vary greatly, and they should be managed differently in order to obtain the best results. Some societies require a strict enforcement of parliamentary rules, while with others the best results will be obtained by being informal. It is important that the presiding officer have tact and common sense, especially with a very intelligent assembly."
We will be meeting in this format. You may participate or not as you choose.
Quote from claude #3563 on July 6, 2005, 5:37 amDad Gum it the people on the board are the same people voting as they would whether the format is this way or that way or whatever. If the votes are visable for all too see what does it matter? The constitutuion is something that is susposed to be a help FOR members of the USCA and not a hinderance. Lets move forward and not start this silly bickering that was so evident last year over a document that doesn't make sense anyhow!!
Why not have a vote on how to vote right now and quench this questionable legalistic junk so this club can move on.How many board members feel this system will work th ebest for the club?
Claude
Dad Gum it the people on the board are the same people voting as they would whether the format is this way or that way or whatever. If the votes are visable for all too see what does it matter? The constitutuion is something that is susposed to be a help FOR members of the USCA and not a hinderance. Lets move forward and not start this silly bickering that was so evident last year over a document that doesn't make sense anyhow!!
Why not have a vote on how to vote right now and quench this questionable legalistic junk so this club can move on.How many board members feel this system will work th ebest for the club?
Claude
Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 6:25 amI really think we have a group of very intelligent people both as members and on the Board. They are scattered across the US with different work and internet habits. If someone felt strongly enough about the USCA to run for office they should have a chance to participate. These meeting should be open for all to see, to know what we are doing. We will get the polls figured out. They are a little different from the Yahoo polls but I know we can make it work. If necessary a vote on how to vote can be done. Board what do you say?
Oh, but would a vote on how to vote be a legitimate vote? It is a vicious circle.
I really think we have a group of very intelligent people both as members and on the Board. They are scattered across the US with different work and internet habits. If someone felt strongly enough about the USCA to run for office they should have a chance to participate. These meeting should be open for all to see, to know what we are doing. We will get the polls figured out. They are a little different from the Yahoo polls but I know we can make it work. If necessary a vote on how to vote can be done. Board what do you say?
Oh, but would a vote on how to vote be a legitimate vote? It is a vicious circle.
Quote from Deleted user on July 6, 2005, 7:14 amthe honeymoon is over and the pissing contests have begun again. this should be called the USCA Elementary School playground. as Pogo says " i have seen the enemy and it is us."
fly
the honeymoon is over and the pissing contests have begun again. this should be called the USCA Elementary School playground. as Pogo says " i have seen the enemy and it is us."
fly
Quote from claude #3563 on July 6, 2005, 8:01 amOkay we have just had an election and I agree with Joyce in that there are some great folks on the board. I also feel they will be able to work together for the benefit of the ones who elected them. So...how about it board members you all going to speak up and get this bickering quenched right away or are we going to have to listen to another year of 'As the sidecar wheel turns'?
Okay we have just had an election and I agree with Joyce in that there are some great folks on the board. I also feel they will be able to work together for the benefit of the ones who elected them. So...how about it board members you all going to speak up and get this bickering quenched right away or are we going to have to listen to another year of 'As the sidecar wheel turns'?
Quote from claude #3563 on July 6, 2005, 9:44 amSeriously, I have an idea. (And everyone said.."oh no what now")
How about going ahead and having the polls just as it is being done. Then call an official bored meeting and simply ask the question of which board members want to change how they voted in the poll on (insert the issue here). State in the board meeting that if they do not speak up then their original response in the (whatever it was) poll will stand.
Maybe, just maybe, this is simple enough to make Colby happy and still be within whatever dumb guidelines are alledgedly setup while allowing some progress to be made in an effecient manner.
Or do I have to contact my area rep to allow him to bring this up in a bored meeting which needs to be called in a scheduled fashion or what?
If this is the case....HEY CHUCK ARE YOU READING THIS STUFF? IF SO BRING IT UP PLEASE...
Thank you for your time.
Claude
USCA National Chaplain (until he is told differently anyhow)
Seriously, I have an idea. (And everyone said.."oh no what now")
How about going ahead and having the polls just as it is being done. Then call an official bored meeting and simply ask the question of which board members want to change how they voted in the poll on (insert the issue here). State in the board meeting that if they do not speak up then their original response in the (whatever it was) poll will stand.
Maybe, just maybe, this is simple enough to make Colby happy and still be within whatever dumb guidelines are alledgedly setup while allowing some progress to be made in an effecient manner.
Or do I have to contact my area rep to allow him to bring this up in a bored meeting which needs to be called in a scheduled fashion or what?
If this is the case....HEY CHUCK ARE YOU READING THIS STUFF? IF SO BRING IT UP PLEASE...
Thank you for your time.
Claude
USCA National Chaplain (until he is told differently anyhow)
Quote from ccridr on July 6, 2005, 11:33 amClaude
A vote by the Board on how to vote would also not be valid. The constitution and the bylaws prescribe how the voting will be done! If the majority of the board wants to change the constitution, then there is also a prescribed method on how to do that.
Fly, there is no pissing contest, only a right way and a wrong way to adiminister club BUSINESS, it has to be done according to the chartered corporate policys of the state of Illinois. If the majority of the Board doesn't like that, then there avanues to change that also.
I will insist on following the Constitution and bylaws, that is all I have ever done, and if you think that is a pissing contest, so be it.
Colby
Claude
A vote by the Board on how to vote would also not be valid. The constitution and the bylaws prescribe how the voting will be done! If the majority of the board wants to change the constitution, then there is also a prescribed method on how to do that.
Fly, there is no pissing contest, only a right way and a wrong way to adiminister club BUSINESS, it has to be done according to the chartered corporate policys of the state of Illinois. If the majority of the Board doesn't like that, then there avanues to change that also.
I will insist on following the Constitution and bylaws, that is all I have ever done, and if you think that is a pissing contest, so be it.
Colby
Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 12:40 pmLets see, what are we being threatened with here. A letter to the Illinois State Corporate Dept. I suggest Colby,that you write your letter and maybe they can straighten this out for us. In the mean time if there is sufficient support we will include Hals cd offer in the membership packet. If it is determined by the State of Illinois Corporate Dept that we are in error we can just recall the coupons. How about that for a good solution?
Lets see, what are we being threatened with here. A letter to the Illinois State Corporate Dept. I suggest Colby,that you write your letter and maybe they can straighten this out for us. In the mean time if there is sufficient support we will include Hals cd offer in the membership packet. If it is determined by the State of Illinois Corporate Dept that we are in error we can just recall the coupons. How about that for a good solution?
Quote from Hack__n on July 6, 2005, 2:08 pmJoyce,
A suggestion from an "Un-bored member":
How about including a disclaimer with the membership package in regards to any damages or injuries that could occur from following the procedures outlined in the text of the book?Lonnie
Joyce,
A suggestion from an "Un-bored member":
How about including a disclaimer with the membership package in regards to any damages or injuries that could occur from following the procedures outlined in the text of the book?
Lonnie
Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 2:25 pmThanks Lonnie. Hal has agreed to such a statement along with accepting coupons for the cd's instead of just sending them as unsolicited.His reply is in the Board Forum discussion.
Thanks Lonnie. Hal has agreed to such a statement along with accepting coupons for the cd's instead of just sending them as unsolicited.His reply is in the Board Forum discussion.
Quote from Deleted user on July 6, 2005, 2:28 pmlet's keep fighting among our selves. pretty soon we won't have any new members to worry about including a cd in their membership packet.
fly
let's keep fighting among our selves. pretty soon we won't have any new members to worry about including a cd in their membership packet.
fly
Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 6:20 pmLet me make sure that I understand the rules here, If Colby says it then it is wrong. Now Colby is Joyces' vice-president and the two of them have the responsibility to make this dog and pony show stay on the road.
Now we all know that Joyce wants to play by the rules right, because the rules are in place to keep a select few from making up new rules without the rest of us knowing, it also keeps part of the board from making changes on a sunday when the president is in church. Right Joyce, planning and schemeing never takes a day off. Now these rules are in place to protect the USCA.Now if the board has not enough concern for the club to meet in a board meeting then we as members should not be bent at Colby for wanting to have the prescribed meeting. (What did I miss here)
There is nothing wrong with wanting business to be conduted in the proper manner. Yes it is incoveient and yes it does move slow but that is how progress is made.The USCA is a for fun club, but it is also a real live business that has a bank account, a CEO in Ill and a corporate charter in Ill, that untill the USCA decides to change , we as the USCA must follow the rules that have been laid out in our charter and constitution.
Colby is a little blunt, but I will tell you that he is hands-down the best USCA Vice-president to date, and is second to no-one for having concern for the well-fare of the USCA.Colby is here because of his love for the USCA.
Just to make sure that I understand this line of post. We think that Colby is wrong because he wants the elected board to follow the rule of the USCA.
John W. Kennedy (YIC)
Let me make sure that I understand the rules here, If Colby says it then it is wrong. Now Colby is Joyces' vice-president and the two of them have the responsibility to make this dog and pony show stay on the road.
Now we all know that Joyce wants to play by the rules right, because the rules are in place to keep a select few from making up new rules without the rest of us knowing, it also keeps part of the board from making changes on a sunday when the president is in church. Right Joyce, planning and schemeing never takes a day off. Now these rules are in place to protect the USCA.
Now if the board has not enough concern for the club to meet in a board meeting then we as members should not be bent at Colby for wanting to have the prescribed meeting. (What did I miss here)
There is nothing wrong with wanting business to be conduted in the proper manner. Yes it is incoveient and yes it does move slow but that is how progress is made.
The USCA is a for fun club, but it is also a real live business that has a bank account, a CEO in Ill and a corporate charter in Ill, that untill the USCA decides to change , we as the USCA must follow the rules that have been laid out in our charter and constitution.
Colby is a little blunt, but I will tell you that he is hands-down the best USCA Vice-president to date, and is second to no-one for having concern for the well-fare of the USCA.Colby is here because of his love for the USCA.
Just to make sure that I understand this line of post. We think that Colby is wrong because he wants the elected board to follow the rule of the USCA.
John W. Kennedy (YIC)
Quote from Bob Madigan on July 6, 2005, 8:10 pmI've reviewed the Constitution and bylaws as well as Robert's Rules and, as far as I can ascertain, this is a properly called informal meeting, conducted openly, with a call for a vote on an issue. I don't see any specific documentation that says this is not a properly conducted meeting. If I'm missing it somewhere, please advise. Otherwise I see this as the Board taking the steps necessary to move forward using the available means provided to them. I see no place that requires the Board meeting to be conducted in a room (real or virtual) with everyone in one place arguing. The Board was notified of the meeting place (this forum) presented with a motion, and given the means to make a vote.
Not trying to be a wisea$$ or stir anything up so if I'm missing something here somebody tell me.
I've reviewed the Constitution and bylaws as well as Robert's Rules and, as far as I can ascertain, this is a properly called informal meeting, conducted openly, with a call for a vote on an issue. I don't see any specific documentation that says this is not a properly conducted meeting. If I'm missing it somewhere, please advise. Otherwise I see this as the Board taking the steps necessary to move forward using the available means provided to them. I see no place that requires the Board meeting to be conducted in a room (real or virtual) with everyone in one place arguing. The Board was notified of the meeting place (this forum) presented with a motion, and given the means to make a vote.
Not trying to be a wisea$$ or stir anything up so if I'm missing something here somebody tell me.
Quote from Al Olme on July 6, 2005, 10:33 pmJust for the record.. the "CEO" of the USCA lives in Kansas, NOT Illinois (that's where your former paid vote lives). YOU changed the rules when you felt you had the power. Now Joyce is running things and you LOST the election. The fact that Colby's normal reaction is a threat instead of a suggestion is what we have come to expect. I've stayed out of this but I'm not going to let you take potshots "from the grave". I thought you picked up your marbles and "resigned the club" as a sore loser, please make me right.
I agree, Colby is a little blunt but he certainly isn't here because of his love for the USCA. He's here because I made the mistake of trusting him and asking him to do the rally in WI and nominating him to represent the Midwest. Two things I greatly regret. A good VP works for the club. He doesn't threaten it at every turn. He doesn't take liberties with USCA funds (like keeping a $1,000 for months before using it as it was supposed to be used) and he doesn't make unilateral changes in the way things are done (like instructing the Election Chair to open the ballots in secret). Get real, Colby has been and is a disaster for the USCA. Even his stauch supporters have given up on him.
Joyce has done everything in the open, something I can't say for your administration. You and Colby BENT the rules of the USCA to fit your agenda. You misquoted the laws of Illinois to allow illegal proxy voting (voting IS and "act") and you claimed credit for things that NEVER HAPPENED. Now let the ELECTED Board make a little progress so we won't have another two years of cronyism and stagnation.
And John, if you want to go to church that's fine. If you were still on the Board, you could go to church anytime you wanted and still participate unlike the rules you made up that limited participation to times that were best for you and Colby and EXCLUDED any BOD member that couldn't meet your schedule. Give it up, you were wrong from "Two Hats until you were finally VOTED OUT of office. This hasn't been a "fun club" for the past two years but now it has a chance if you'll just go away. And please learn to use a spell checker.
Just for the record.. the "CEO" of the USCA lives in Kansas, NOT Illinois (that's where your former paid vote lives). YOU changed the rules when you felt you had the power. Now Joyce is running things and you LOST the election. The fact that Colby's normal reaction is a threat instead of a suggestion is what we have come to expect. I've stayed out of this but I'm not going to let you take potshots "from the grave". I thought you picked up your marbles and "resigned the club" as a sore loser, please make me right.
I agree, Colby is a little blunt but he certainly isn't here because of his love for the USCA. He's here because I made the mistake of trusting him and asking him to do the rally in WI and nominating him to represent the Midwest. Two things I greatly regret. A good VP works for the club. He doesn't threaten it at every turn. He doesn't take liberties with USCA funds (like keeping a $1,000 for months before using it as it was supposed to be used) and he doesn't make unilateral changes in the way things are done (like instructing the Election Chair to open the ballots in secret). Get real, Colby has been and is a disaster for the USCA. Even his stauch supporters have given up on him.
Joyce has done everything in the open, something I can't say for your administration. You and Colby BENT the rules of the USCA to fit your agenda. You misquoted the laws of Illinois to allow illegal proxy voting (voting IS and "act") and you claimed credit for things that NEVER HAPPENED. Now let the ELECTED Board make a little progress so we won't have another two years of cronyism and stagnation.
And John, if you want to go to church that's fine. If you were still on the Board, you could go to church anytime you wanted and still participate unlike the rules you made up that limited participation to times that were best for you and Colby and EXCLUDED any BOD member that couldn't meet your schedule. Give it up, you were wrong from "Two Hats until you were finally VOTED OUT of office. This hasn't been a "fun club" for the past two years but now it has a chance if you'll just go away. And please learn to use a spell checker.
Quote from Guest on July 6, 2005, 11:19 pmSaint Ome (a title bestowed by past president Kennedy)
You should learn to spread it thicker if you want people to believe you!!!!
Bob Anderson and I missed you at the rally......
Just for the record. the USCA grew in numbers and money more in my term than in the last 10 years.
I had no idea who won the election when I resigned. I did not resign as a member only as president. However you can buy my membership from me if you can afford it????? I can always post here with the other 1200 non-usca members on this site.
Ask the state of Ill. who is the CEO of the USCA.
As for today you mr. Ome and I hold the same position in the USCA
Dead weight, and ledgons in our own minds.
We are both arm-chair quarter-backs on the presidency of the USCA,
but I carried the ball once.YIC John W. Kennedy (first elected president in the USCA History)
Saint Ome (a title bestowed by past president Kennedy)
You should learn to spread it thicker if you want people to believe you!!!!
Bob Anderson and I missed you at the rally......
Just for the record. the USCA grew in numbers and money more in my term than in the last 10 years.
I had no idea who won the election when I resigned. I did not resign as a member only as president. However you can buy my membership from me if you can afford it????? I can always post here with the other 1200 non-usca members on this site.
Ask the state of Ill. who is the CEO of the USCA.
As for today you mr. Ome and I hold the same position in the USCA
Dead weight, and ledgons in our own minds.
We are both arm-chair quarter-backs on the presidency of the USCA,
but I carried the ball once.
YIC John W. Kennedy (first elected president in the USCA History)
Quote from Guest on July 7, 2005, 12:47 amBoy o boy! It is truly amazing what a very simple offer to help the USCA can bring down the very wrath of the gods without even trying. Here I am, at my own expense, offering to give away the books of training and safety that took me countless dedicated hours to write and hours for my wife to type, plus the help of many others who assisted me in this project. And to distribute these at no cost to those who would join the USCA which could be used as an incententive to new members. And at no risk to the USCA. The new members would not get the CDs if they did not want them. And what happens?
Well, some guy who appears to have his own political adgenda for whatever reason threatens the USCA with all kinds of nasty doings to take the USCA to the some kind of Jurisdiction in Illinois for some alledged and unspecified crime which he will not specify. Well - if he had any guts at all he would want to make things happen. He would first of all say exactly and precisely what it was that we were doing wrong in the first place, and then he would provide a solution so that we would not be in that trap. That is what a person who had the good of the USCA would do. But is that what was done? No. Quite the opposite.
When the USCA was created it was to have fun and enjoy at the grass roots level, while at the top there was to be some rules to guide the overall structure along. It worked wery well for many years. In fact, there was a time we grew at over 1000 percent in a single year, a feat that is yet unmatched today. And when the USCA went completely insolvent and totally belly up, I, with Ed Johnson, and Terry Strassenburgh and Bryce Lee from Canada put the entire USCA back together as a fully functioning unit from absolutely nothing within just a six month period beginning without even a base of membership records and a zero bank account. So lets quit with the patting ourselves on the back saying how smart and how brave and how good we were in recent years, and just focus on how much disruption we have seen recently and lets get back to work.
Now, here is a chance for the USCA to overcome all or at least most of the very negative garbage that has been seen the past few years. We have a clean slate with new officers. Let us act as if we have some common sense. Let us go forward and see what the real problems are and solve them and or resolve them. Let us have a can do attitude and not a cannot do attitude. If you canna say or do anything positive, then get out of the way and step aside and let others who can step forward go ahead. There is much to do, and I like where most all of the current BOD are coming from.
Give them them the tools to allow them to do their job. And if their is a problem with the e-vote, then get that fixed - because that is here and it is going to stay. Colby, if that is your responsibity, get it fixed and quit the whinning and the threatening. Just do it. You sure do not look very good at this point in time. If you have a problem, spell it out so we can understand it and take action and correct it. As it is your threats are meaningless as they are so vacuous.
What is it you are against? Are you against my giving my manuals that I wrote to others I do not know who can possibly use them and therefore not get themselves killed? Just what is your problem?
Hal Kendall, Co Founder, USCA, Past President USCA.
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Boy o boy! It is truly amazing what a very simple offer to help the USCA can bring down the very wrath of the gods without even trying. Here I am, at my own expense, offering to give away the books of training and safety that took me countless dedicated hours to write and hours for my wife to type, plus the help of many others who assisted me in this project. And to distribute these at no cost to those who would join the USCA which could be used as an incententive to new members. And at no risk to the USCA. The new members would not get the CDs if they did not want them. And what happens?
Well, some guy who appears to have his own political adgenda for whatever reason threatens the USCA with all kinds of nasty doings to take the USCA to the some kind of Jurisdiction in Illinois for some alledged and unspecified crime which he will not specify. Well - if he had any guts at all he would want to make things happen. He would first of all say exactly and precisely what it was that we were doing wrong in the first place, and then he would provide a solution so that we would not be in that trap. That is what a person who had the good of the USCA would do. But is that what was done? No. Quite the opposite.
When the USCA was created it was to have fun and enjoy at the grass roots level, while at the top there was to be some rules to guide the overall structure along. It worked wery well for many years. In fact, there was a time we grew at over 1000 percent in a single year, a feat that is yet unmatched today. And when the USCA went completely insolvent and totally belly up, I, with Ed Johnson, and Terry Strassenburgh and Bryce Lee from Canada put the entire USCA back together as a fully functioning unit from absolutely nothing within just a six month period beginning without even a base of membership records and a zero bank account. So lets quit with the patting ourselves on the back saying how smart and how brave and how good we were in recent years, and just focus on how much disruption we have seen recently and lets get back to work.
Now, here is a chance for the USCA to overcome all or at least most of the very negative garbage that has been seen the past few years. We have a clean slate with new officers. Let us act as if we have some common sense. Let us go forward and see what the real problems are and solve them and or resolve them. Let us have a can do attitude and not a cannot do attitude. If you canna say or do anything positive, then get out of the way and step aside and let others who can step forward go ahead. There is much to do, and I like where most all of the current BOD are coming from.
Give them them the tools to allow them to do their job. And if their is a problem with the e-vote, then get that fixed - because that is here and it is going to stay. Colby, if that is your responsibity, get it fixed and quit the whinning and the threatening. Just do it. You sure do not look very good at this point in time. If you have a problem, spell it out so we can understand it and take action and correct it. As it is your threats are meaningless as they are so vacuous.
What is it you are against? Are you against my giving my manuals that I wrote to others I do not know who can possibly use them and therefore not get themselves killed? Just what is your problem?
Hal Kendall, Co Founder, USCA, Past President USCA.
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Quote from claude #3563 on July 7, 2005, 4:28 amI would like to suggest that a new section be established here at sidecar.com for this type of 'discussion' so the site is not clogged up with it as it is now.
There are only so many categories here to post under at this time and to fill up ones that may really help a sidecarist with his or her questions is not a good thing.
Thanks for your consideration.
I really hope this can be done without having a board meeting. wHEW.
I would like to suggest that a new section be established here at sidecar.com for this type of 'discussion' so the site is not clogged up with it as it is now.
There are only so many categories here to post under at this time and to fill up ones that may really help a sidecarist with his or her questions is not a good thing.
Thanks for your consideration.
I really hope this can be done without having a board meeting. wHEW.
Quote from Al Olme on July 7, 2005, 8:31 amYou still don't get it. What did YOU do to make the bank account increase? Wait, I think I know...nothing! The wheels were turning when you walked in the door.
And John if you had carried the ball, you'd still be President. You dropped the ball and even your legions of supporters, you know, the ones with the signs at Bean Blossom, were too ashamed to re-elect you.
Please, just let Joyce and the folks who are in office run the show. You couldn't do it so let them have a chance.
You still don't get it. What did YOU do to make the bank account increase? Wait, I think I know...nothing! The wheels were turning when you walked in the door.
And John if you had carried the ball, you'd still be President. You dropped the ball and even your legions of supporters, you know, the ones with the signs at Bean Blossom, were too ashamed to re-elect you.
Please, just let Joyce and the folks who are in office run the show. You couldn't do it so let them have a chance.
Quote from Al Olme on July 7, 2005, 8:36 am"Ask the state of Ill. who is the CEO of the USCA." - John Kennedy
The title is "Registered Agent". If Al Roach has himself listed as CEO he's committed a fraud. This is just a further example of your lack of clear understanding of the way business works.
"Ask the state of Ill. who is the CEO of the USCA." - John Kennedy
The title is "Registered Agent". If Al Roach has himself listed as CEO he's committed a fraud. This is just a further example of your lack of clear understanding of the way business works.