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Quote from sluga on April 30, 2016, 2:00 pmHey Folks, I've been riding for years but I'm new to this game. Got myself a 1995 Road King with matching sidecar with only 2,500 original miles on it so basically I got a new 21 year old rig. Well it sure is a different animal! I'm very apprehensive with my right hand turns to the point where i feel like I'm going ridiculously slow. I can't be the only person with this problem.What's the best way to add weight to the car and compensate for this? Sand bags take up too much room someone said you can get metal plates. I don't have passengers very often so I need something. a little advice would be welcomed. (or a lot )
Thanks
Hey Folks, I've been riding for years but I'm new to this game. Got myself a 1995 Road King with matching sidecar with only 2,500 original miles on it so basically I got a new 21 year old rig. Well it sure is a different animal! I'm very apprehensive with my right hand turns to the point where i feel like I'm going ridiculously slow. I can't be the only person with this problem.What's the best way to add weight to the car and compensate for this? Sand bags take up too much room someone said you can get metal plates. I don't have passengers very often so I need something. a little advice would be welcomed. (or a lot )
Thanks
Quote from CCjon on April 30, 2016, 5:21 pmPersonally use two sand bags wrapped in plastic or a ten gallon water jug when riding without a monkey. With monkey, remove the extra ballast as not needed.
Also as you gain more experience driving hacks the ballast will be used less and less. But when first learning to handle the rig, ballast is essential. Then practice often in vacant parking lots. Schools on weekends and churches during the week make great practice sites.
Welcome to the off-centered three wheel community.
Personally use two sand bags wrapped in plastic or a ten gallon water jug when riding without a monkey. With monkey, remove the extra ballast as not needed.
Also as you gain more experience driving hacks the ballast will be used less and less. But when first learning to handle the rig, ballast is essential. Then practice often in vacant parking lots. Schools on weekends and churches during the week make great practice sites.
Welcome to the off-centered three wheel community.
Quote from tinboatcapt on April 30, 2016, 6:10 pmI have a military style ammunition can with lead in it. It weights in at 100#'s. The canister is the larger size about 7X&X6". I salvaged the lead from the backstops at the local gun club. They were happy to be rid of it. I have it strapped down to the floor using the seat mounting hardware and a ratchet strap. It fits tight against the seat and laying down on its sideon the floor, it's not in the way of the passenger.
Jim
I have a military style ammunition can with lead in it. It weights in at 100#'s. The canister is the larger size about 7X&X6". I salvaged the lead from the backstops at the local gun club. They were happy to be rid of it. I have it strapped down to the floor using the seat mounting hardware and a ratchet strap. It fits tight against the seat and laying down on its sideon the floor, it's not in the way of the passenger.
Jim
Quote from Hack__n on April 30, 2016, 7:30 pmPlace your ballast behind the seat and toward the sidecar wheel . With a fiberglass body you don't want hard or sharp edged ballast.
I used three bags (25#) of lead shot with my last few heavy Harley rigs.
I used to put wet spent sandblast abrasive in plastic milk jugs in customers rigs for their maiden voyage back home. They weighed about 20# each and no cost involved.Lonnie
Place your ballast behind the seat and toward the sidecar wheel . With a fiberglass body you don't want hard or sharp edged ballast.
I used three bags (25#) of lead shot with my last few heavy Harley rigs.
I used to put wet spent sandblast abrasive in plastic milk jugs in customers rigs for their maiden voyage back home. They weighed about 20# each and no cost involved.
Lonnie
Quote from claude #3563 on May 1, 2016, 4:57 amGood points on ballast. It is good to find a safe spot to practice. When you practice take out the ballast as it will allow you to learn more quicker at slower speeds.
Good points on ballast. It is good to find a safe spot to practice. When you practice take out the ballast as it will allow you to learn more quicker at slower speeds.
Quote from davet on May 1, 2016, 7:14 amHarley made an accessory weight which mounted on top of the right leaf spring. The part number is 88177-95. Google that number and you may be able to find one. I got mine from Tom's NOS parts in Ohio. It helped me feel more secure in right turns but it does make the ride a little rougher. It is not something you would want to put on and take off.
Harley made an accessory weight which mounted on top of the right leaf spring. The part number is 88177-95. Google that number and you may be able to find one. I got mine from Tom's NOS parts in Ohio. It helped me feel more secure in right turns but it does make the ride a little rougher. It is not something you would want to put on and take off.
Quote from stancotreau on May 1, 2016, 6:36 pmI have been giving this ballast some thought. I have a light car, velorex and when I ride alone I put in 65# of ballast. Lately I have been wanting to ride it without the ballast to see how it feels.
Some say use it, some say learn to ride without ballast. I'm new to the sidecar game and a bit confused ..... will it be to my benefit to learn to run around without ballast???
I have been giving this ballast some thought. I have a light car, velorex and when I ride alone I put in 65# of ballast. Lately I have been wanting to ride it without the ballast to see how it feels.
Some say use it, some say learn to ride without ballast. I'm new to the sidecar game and a bit confused ..... will it be to my benefit to learn to run around without ballast???
Quote from Deleted user on May 1, 2016, 7:26 pmWhen I started this learning thing, 11 years and still learning. I used a 5 GAL water jug that when empty folded up. This was 40 # and with the junk in the back another 40 or 50 #. The nice thing about the water jug was no mess and if I was out and pick up someone or something I just dumped it. One day I saw I had not re-field it and could not remember when I had. So no more.
When I started this learning thing, 11 years and still learning. I used a 5 GAL water jug that when empty folded up. This was 40 # and with the junk in the back another 40 or 50 #. The nice thing about the water jug was no mess and if I was out and pick up someone or something I just dumped it. One day I saw I had not re-field it and could not remember when I had. So no more.
Quote from CCjon on May 1, 2016, 7:27 pmStan, I believe the consensus is to learn with ballast in the sidecar until you have enough experience to feel the car wheel unligthen ( or unweighting) slightly and how to control it. Every rig is different in when it will start to lift, until you know at what point that is with your rig, carry ballast. Flying the chair will happen too frequently and suddenly if riding without ballast. The lighter the chair (i.e. Velorex) the easier it is to fly.
That said, you will want to practice "flying the chair" as part of your learning, but in a controlled environment until you know how to control the rig for when the chair flies accidentally..
You are an MSF instructor, are there STEP classes in your area? Well worth the time and money at take this class.
Stan, I believe the consensus is to learn with ballast in the sidecar until you have enough experience to feel the car wheel unligthen ( or unweighting) slightly and how to control it. Every rig is different in when it will start to lift, until you know at what point that is with your rig, carry ballast. Flying the chair will happen too frequently and suddenly if riding without ballast. The lighter the chair (i.e. Velorex) the easier it is to fly.
That said, you will want to practice "flying the chair" as part of your learning, but in a controlled environment until you know how to control the rig for when the chair flies accidentally..
You are an MSF instructor, are there STEP classes in your area? Well worth the time and money at take this class.
Quote from stancotreau on May 1, 2016, 7:56 pmI am scheduled for a step class next month, thanks for the reply
I am scheduled for a step class next month, thanks for the reply
Quote from trikebldr on May 2, 2016, 1:58 amLearning to ride with a light car is fine, but no matter how much experience and training you have, there will be those moments when a fast maneuver to the right will be needed, and the more ballast you are carrying, the better (faster) you can maneuver the rig. It's not so much an issue of how well you can handle the rig when the car lifts as it is just simply having MORE right turn control in a crisis BEFORE it lifts. Once it's lifted, you can't turn any harder, so with more ballast you can turn harder BEFORE it lifts.
I ride with a 114lb steel slug in mine all the time when I don't have a monkey, but my bike is extremely heavy (960lbs).
Learning to ride with a light car is fine, but no matter how much experience and training you have, there will be those moments when a fast maneuver to the right will be needed, and the more ballast you are carrying, the better (faster) you can maneuver the rig. It's not so much an issue of how well you can handle the rig when the car lifts as it is just simply having MORE right turn control in a crisis BEFORE it lifts. Once it's lifted, you can't turn any harder, so with more ballast you can turn harder BEFORE it lifts.
I ride with a 114lb steel slug in mine all the time when I don't have a monkey, but my bike is extremely heavy (960lbs).
Quote from sluga on May 2, 2016, 9:13 amThanks for all the great advice, i like the weight on the leaf spring,bags of led shot should work great also .I'm in NH and don't know of any classes in this area.It would be great to find one . Thanks again to all
Thanks for all the great advice, i like the weight on the leaf spring,bags of led shot should work great also .I'm in NH and don't know of any classes in this area.It would be great to find one . Thanks again to all
Quote from stancotreau on May 2, 2016, 9:40 amI don't know where in NH you are, but I'm in Billerica MA. Training Wheels runs step classes.
www.trainingwheelsonline.com
I am trying to get them to schedule one in their Bedford location, not too far from the NH border. If you are interested call their office and ask to take a step class in Bedford. I think they are very close to having enough people to schedule it.
I don't know where in NH you are, but I'm in Billerica MA. Training Wheels runs step classes.
http://www.trainingwheelsonline.com
I am trying to get them to schedule one in their Bedford location, not too far from the NH border. If you are interested call their office and ask to take a step class in Bedford. I think they are very close to having enough people to schedule it.
Quote from rodder on May 2, 2016, 7:00 pmwhen i was still driving older RWD cars into the 90's snow tyres + weight were needed in Pa winters. i picked up several bags of cheap steel shot in 25 lb bags that take little room. they come in hand making adjustments when rider weight is called for. glad i kept them after retiring, no job so snow is no biggie, just put another shovel of coal on the fire + relax!!!
when i was still driving older RWD cars into the 90's snow tyres + weight were needed in Pa winters. i picked up several bags of cheap steel shot in 25 lb bags that take little room. they come in hand making adjustments when rider weight is called for. glad i kept them after retiring, no job so snow is no biggie, just put another shovel of coal on the fire + relax!!!
Quote from NCGLSidecarist on May 5, 2016, 7:27 pmJust to add my 2 cents. Got the idea from "Foodog" on this forum I use sand put into smaller plastic bags that I put into some inexpensive tool bags. each ways about 25 lbs. Easy to transport and no mess.
Just to add my 2 cents. Got the idea from "Foodog" on this forum I use sand put into smaller plastic bags that I put into some inexpensive tool bags. each ways about 25 lbs. Easy to transport and no mess.
Quote from OldSchool_IsCool on May 8, 2016, 6:08 pmRotometals.com has lead in Verious forms. I'm thinking either the recovered led ingot or the unwashed lead shot in ammo cans. The 50# of sand in a duffle bag I'm using now seems a bit bulky.
http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/leadshotreclaimaird.htm
Rotometals.com has lead in Verious forms. I'm thinking either the recovered led ingot or the unwashed lead shot in ammo cans. The 50# of sand in a duffle bag I'm using now seems a bit bulky.