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wvsporty
Posted 1/5/2015 9:02 AM (#81994)
Subject: Lowering Project



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Well folks the project begins soon. Parts came in and I have plenty of steel and such to make new mounts. Our rig will ne lowered about 3 inches in the next few weeks. Here is the first parts to arrive , the wheel and hub assembly. Welll , photos are being an issue. I will retake pictures and try again later


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AJ1200
Posted 1/5/2015 11:12 AM (#81997 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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So I am curious, why are you lowering your rig. are you just lowering the sidecar to better match the bike or are you lowering the whole outfit.
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trikebldr
Posted 1/5/2015 1:15 PM (#82001 - in reply to #81997)
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I would like to throw my 2c worth of reply to Ace's question. 30 years ago I had an early Motorvation Spyder with 5 link suspension on it rather than today's trailing link type. It was hooked first to a '76 Gold Wing, then to my '83 Kawasaki Voyager. The Gold Wing had a fairly low COG, but it still felt heavy in turns. I cut my fork springs 1-3/4" which dropped my front end 2", and I replaced the rear coil-overs with some that were 2" shorter with the same spring rate. I also replaced the spring on my hack's coil-over to lower it 2", too. Just that 2" made a huge difference in how "heavy" the rig felt when cornering. The Voyager is known as being a very top-heavy bike, so it got the same treatment.
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AJ1200
Posted 1/5/2015 2:25 PM (#82003 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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So are you saying that lowering the whole rig makes it handle turns better. Not sure I understand how that would work. I am VERY new to sidecars so I am asking out of pure curiosity as I want and need to learn as much as I can about them.
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trikebldr
Posted 1/5/2015 4:48 PM (#82008 - in reply to #82003)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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It's just a long understood fact of vehicular road performance that lowering the COG will improve the handling of almost any vehicle. In this case, motorcycles were intended to lean over in turns, so when they can't due to the sidecar, they don't handle well. Sidecars also tend to sit rather high for some reason, so when it can be lowered, it will contribute stability to the whole rig. Just look at how low they build road-racing hacks! Barely knee high to the top of the rig!

The best analogy I can give of how stability is affected by a lower COG, just imagine a coffee cup 2" in diameter and 12' tall. Then imagine a coffee cup 12" in diameter and 2" tall. Which one will tip over soonest if both are sitting on the dash of a car going around a turn?

It's really quite easy to lower almost any bike, and most sidecars are not too hard to lower either. Both usually have lots of tire clearance to begin with.

For much more info on sidecar handling, you might want to ask Jay (jaydmc) at DMC Sidecars. He deals with so many varieties of the creatures day in and day out.

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wvsporty
Posted 1/6/2015 12:47 PM (#82019 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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When I originaly bought my bike it was lowered about 3" and I liked it. When I bought the sidecar I swapped the forks and shocks with my wifes standard height Sportster.. I have since sold her bike to a buddy who hates the lowered ride and says he cant turn it very well. Part 3 is I am tired of spending $140 on a tire for the sidecar and I am converting it to a 12" trailer rim for less than the cost of a tire. Part 4 is I just like it lowered, its not like I have to worry about scraping the pegs in the corners.
I have to try a different camera , pictures still not working proerly, not the website its my computer wont open or read them.
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AJ1200
Posted 1/6/2015 1:51 PM (#82021 - in reply to #81994)
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I see, it's a preferred ride and $$ thing. I get the tire cost part, that is why I went double dark side on my wing. I will follow your mod and would be interested in knowing your starting height and them final height when done. Yes get another camera and get some before and after shots

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wvsporty
Posted 1/6/2015 3:27 PM (#82023 - in reply to #81994)
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Definately going to get photos . I ususally dont think of doing before and after shots but this time I did. I have pictures in the thread "Aidens growing fast" fo him the day we picked up the sidecar and last summer when we had some more patches put on his vest. I plan to do measurements and pics with Aiden to show the ride height differences.
Bad thing about my Sporty is I cant go to the dark side, no car tires that small.
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AJ1200
Posted 1/6/2015 3:53 PM (#82024 - in reply to #81994)
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I have had 2 bike tires fail right after a long trip 2 up with camper, but I won't get into that. so I went to the darkside and never looked back
I'll be keeping an eye on your project here
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dawg gone
Posted 1/7/2015 11:07 AM (#82038 - in reply to #81994)
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used Road Glide air shocks on Road King got almost 2" shocks are 11.5 if memory works
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pbrowne
Posted 1/13/2015 11:45 AM (#82142 - in reply to #81994)
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I think you'll like it lower as you're planning. It tends to keep the sidecar down in right hand turns. You may find, as I did, that you can be pretty quick in those turns.
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wvsporty
Posted 2/20/2015 4:02 PM (#82947 - in reply to #81994)
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Well I have my parts, the bike is in the shop . This weekend if the snow stays away I am planning on taking some before pics and some disassembly and bracket mock ups. My friend who i am switching shocks and forks with keeps postponing the parts swap day. Problem is he only has to show up because I have already done this once and it's too easy. But somethings getting done this weekend even if its wrong.
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timo482
Posted 2/21/2015 1:16 PM (#82964 - in reply to #82947)
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i had my ultra and tle lowered for a few years.. it does handle better on cloverleafs better lowered, and car tires handle better on cloverleafs...

BUT it would not clear a driveway ramp to save my life.. had to go at a angle and futz to do it... got tired of dealing with wierd tires and got tired of the hassles and went back to stock wheels and stock ht.

the ONLY real problem with stock wheels is they wear out fast - but that is balance by the fact i can ride into a dealership on saturday morning and ride out with three new tires in a hour zip zop no problems.

way less hassle and just ride a little slower and its all good. having simpler maintenance just ended up being the better plan

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wvsporty
Posted 3/1/2015 1:31 PM (#83146 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Well I've had the rig in the garage for 3 weeks now and have only accomplished some disassembly . Having a hard time getting the parts off my buddy's bike to do the lowering on mine and the fact that last Sunday February 22nd I spent most of the day in our local ER. They think I had a TIA ( used to be a mini stroke) everything's going good sofar

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wvsporty
Posted 3/5/2015 10:42 AM (#83224 - in reply to #81994)
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Got the new wheel painted 2 tone to match the bike and got the tire back on today......



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wvsporty
Posted 3/14/2015 6:07 PM (#83371 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Bike lowered and sidecar wheel in mockup position. Welding to be done this week



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SwampFox
Posted 3/14/2015 7:51 PM (#83375 - in reply to #83146)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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wvsporty - 3/1/2015 1:31 PM
... everything's going good sofar

  

 

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wvsporty
Posted 3/31/2015 3:42 PM (#83680 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Almost there pics coming soon of the rear mount and hub welding and install. I just need time with a real computer.
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wvsporty
Posted 3/31/2015 5:12 PM (#83681 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Let's see if this works.
Rear lower mount is 3/8" x 1 1/4" bar stock bent and drilled



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wvsporty
Posted 3/31/2015 5:17 PM (#83682 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Hub welded to the old swing arm



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New York Bear
Posted 3/31/2015 5:42 PM (#83683 - in reply to #81994)
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Doug, interesting to see what you are doing. Also interesting to note that you are a facebook friend. Bruce.
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wvsporty
Posted 4/20/2015 10:18 AM (#84002 - in reply to #81994)
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A picture out of the garage.



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wvsporty
Posted 4/29/2015 3:51 PM (#84177 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Ok here is some more details. Bike is lowered 2 1/2" sidecar is lowered about 4" and the overall rig is 3" wider with wheel lead reduced by about 3".
So since riding from April 12th till now I have noticed a few things. The sidecar feels heavier , the steering feels lighter and i reduced the counter weight by 25 lbs..
I also put slightly quieter mufflers on and it seems to have increassed power slightly, I have found myslef a few times running 80 MPH on the interstate.
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michaelh
Posted 4/29/2015 4:42 PM (#84180 - in reply to #84177)
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wvsporty - 4/29/2015 9:51 AM

...I have found myself a few times running 80 MPH on the interstate.


Is that fast (good), or slow (bad), for you?

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wvsporty
Posted 5/8/2015 1:09 PM (#84283 - in reply to #81994)
Subject: Re: Lowering Project



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Michael that is good for me. An 883 doesnt have much power to begin with and then i add a 200 pound box on the side.
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